Editing Canon RAW light crm

Clermond

Clermond

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How do you edit your cinema raw crm files?
I was not too happy with the conversion in FCP so I gave Resolve a shot.
I am really pleased with the options and the result but I ran into the issue
that the exported files where brighter and little more flat than what I saw in the viewer.

I know this issue the other way: exports get darker when the range settings
are data levels "full" instead of video. (I just checked again). I played around with option and
exported the R5c Canon crm files with data levels full. Et voila! But I am surprised. How come?

I know, you should use a i/o device for 100% accuracy.
But why is crm different to log files or DNG from the DJI X7?
 
I don't have any thoughts on Resolve (I imagine it's the better option tho), but with FCP you have to make sure that you are turning off the automatically applied LUT that's added upon import in the inspector.

I don't know what's up with this transformation, but I agree FCP does not do a good job with that.

Once the LUT is off, the footage is flat and you can have at it with own tools/plugins.
 
NorBro said:
I don't have any thoughts on Resolve (I imagine it's the better option tho), but with FCP you have to make sure that you are turning off the automatically applied LUT that's added upon import in the inspector.

I don't know what's up with this transformation, but I agree FCP does not do a good job with that.

Once the LUT is off, the footage is flat and you can have at it with own tools/plugins.
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I went through a lot of settings with various LUTs, without LUTs and nothing came close to Resolve where you have the full benefit of RAW with wb, exposure, shadows, highlights recovery etc. in RAW settings.
 
Yeah, that's how FCP treats REDCODE RAW. Separate section/panel for the data.

For CRL, anyone who would edit it in FCP would likely use FilmConvert-like applications which have the same controls.

At the end of the day, you're just manipulating pixels. And even if you can't truly get into the RAW data, the footage is tough enough to handle all kinds of work done in any software.
 
Clermond said:
How do you edit your cinema raw crm files?
I was not too happy with the conversion in FCP so I gave Resolve a shot.
I am really pleased with the options and the result but I ran into the issue
that the exported files where brighter and little more flat than what I saw in the viewer.

I know this issue the other way: exports get darker when the range settings
are data levels "full" instead of video. (I just checked again). I played around with option and
exported the R5c Canon crm files with data levels full. Et voila! But I am surprised. How come?

I know, you should use a i/o device for 100% accuracy.
But why is crm different to log files or DNG from the DJI X7?
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Clermond, what format are you exporting to after editing your footage in Resolve or FCP, and are you using a Mac? Just trying to rule out the old QuickTime gamma issue.
 
norway said:
Clermond, what format are you exporting to after editing your footage in Resolve or FCP, and are you using a Mac? Just trying to rule out the old QuickTime gamma issue.
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I am aware of all these previous QT gamma issue. The question is why behaves Canon raw different than any Clog flavor?
 
It behaves exactly as it should based on software development and the changes in its life (updates, good or bad).

Not sure about now, in September 2022, but had you imported Canon Log2/3 from your C300 Mark III into Resolve and FCP last year, you'd see minor differences.

Software handles data differently, especially a RAW format that is not as common as other formats and was developed as a proprietary solution for Canon's CRD.

Some applications do not even understand what certain formats are, like FCP with Blackmagic RAW, so naturally there may be slight differences in how one processes something compared to some other code once if finally does recognize them.
 
The 8K raw lite is a bit of strain on the system. I use FCP. I hope they improve and allow us to manipulate all the variables. Nevertheless, in rare situations I would F***up the ISO and need to change it in post.
 
compression is the wild wild west. no standards that i know of. makes exporting a trial and error process unfortunately.

I was at a lunch talking to a gentleman about changing that and making standards for these kinds of things, but might be a while.

For now, you have to explain why your 8kbps email friendly video doesn’t display Netflix red.
 
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