Edit in SD first

[AuditoryVisuals]

I don't have a good enough computer or the software to edit HDV. But it can handle DV. My question is: If I edited something in DV, is there any way I can use all the same editing algorithms and apply it to HDV when I can handle it? Sort of like editing "offline". Or will I have to do the whole thing over again? All I have is Adobe Premiere 7.0 (A.K.A. Adobe Premiere Pro 1.0).

 

[topcat]

Not sure if this will work for you but Vaast Technologies (I think) makes a product called "Gearshift" which makes a copy to edit in SD and then puts it back out in HD after you finish editing. Check it out, might work?

Here's the link to them: http://www.vasst.com/gearshift.htm

 

[vsansal]

I don't have a good enough computer or the software to edit HDV. But it can handle DV. My question is: If I edited something in DV, is there any way I can use all the same editing algorithms and apply it to HDV when I can handle it? Sort of like editing "offline". Or will I have to do the whole thing over again? All I have is Adobe Premiere 7.0 (A.K.A. Adobe Premiere Pro 1.0).

I don't know about other NLEs but you can do this with Sony Vegas. First you import your videos to your project then insert them to the timeline. Do all the editing you want and save it as (not render) Sony Vegas Project (.veg). After this step you can render out as DV if you like. Then take all the original files and the files created by vegas (it creates other files in the same folder so all you need is one folder) plus your project file (.veg) and save it on a hard drive/DVD or whatever you like. This is the offline part.

Once you are ready to do it online all you need is double clicking your sony vegas project and pointing out where the folder with the files are located if necessary. This time all you need is rendering out your project as HD.

 

[AuditoryVisuals]

IOnce you are ready to do it online all you need is double clicking your sony vegas project and pointing out where the folder with the files are located if necessary. This time all you need is rendering out your project as HD.

Do you mean I put the m2t into the folder where it keeps all the files? Instead of the avi? Wouldn't all the timeline settings be different?

topcat: Gearshift seems alright, but I was thinking something free.

 

[vsansal]

Do you mean I put the m2t into the folder where it keeps all the files? Instead of the avi? Wouldn't all the timeline settings be different?

topcat: Gearshift seems alright, but I was thinking something free.

You put your m2t files in a folder of your choice. Then import and do the editing. Save as vegas project (veg). This creates needed files in the same folder. So the next time you load the veg project it loads all your clips into the timeline ready for rendering.

Avi means you capture as DV. This won't work. You have to work with the actual clips you are going to use later. So they have to be HDV not DV.

 

[l0adr]

Do you mean I put the m2t into the folder where it keeps all the files? Instead of the avi? Wouldn't all the timeline settings be different?

topcat: Gearshift seems alright, but I was thinking something free.

In Sony Vegas You actually can do all the editing entirely in DV and then use m2t files only for rendering!

You should first capture all clips from the camcorder in DV-mode and later as HDV. Alternatively, You can capture HDV and convert it to DV on your computer. Then just put AVI files on the timeline and edit everything as You want. Before rendering, save and close your vegas project, move the files with AVI extension to the other directory if You need a backup or just delete 'em. Open the saved project in Sony Vegas, it'll ask about the missing files - just point at the m2t files! Voila - now You can render your HD project!

 

[Nathyn]

Can you do something like this in FCP?

-Nate

 

[Oedipax]

Can you do something like this in FCP?

-Nate

In my testing so far, the answer is "kinda." I've been capturing all our footage in HDV and then using JES Deinterlacer to do the inverse telecine for pulldown removal. I output the 23.98 footage as regular standard-def DV. Looks great, edits like a dream.

When it's time to go back to the originals, you can do a batch capture on just the footage you need for the edit, but because it has to come in at 29.97, it doesn't just replace the old footage on the timeline. Plus, we're not going to do our final output and grading from HDV, we're transcoding to ProRes. So I imagine there will still be some manual intervention on our part to get everything back together, but it's still a lot better than editing native HDV.

One alternative would just be to bring everything in at the beginning in ProRes, and edit using that, but the storage requirements are pretty high. One hour of 29.97 HDV transcoded to 23.98 ProRes is about 45gb, and we've shot 20 tapes so far! We'd need to build some 1TB+ arrays for that to be practical.

 

[Nathyn]

Ouch. That's what I was thinking about too bring everything in as ProRes. What about if you're using a DTE.

-Nate

 

[kakfilm]

Can you do something like this in FCP?

-Nate

There are a lot of ways to do this in Final Cut. You can capture your footage as HDV and then convert them to ProRess and edit them in ProRess and when you are done reconvert the ProRess files to any HD format you want. You can also capture your footage as DV and edit in DV and when you are done you can media manage your files offline and recapture them as HDV and you'll have your final HDV project. These are the two basic ways of doing it.

If you edit in ProRess you'll have more space to work with during color correction, but you'll need FCP 6 to do so. If you edit in DV you'll have less color space to work with (even in HDV) when color correcting. You'll have to keep in mind that ProRess is an editing format only, not a delivery format.

I hope this helps.

Kak Lee
www.myspace.com/kaklee

 

[seunosewa]

Just edit HDV natively. The time it takes to convert from one format to another or to capture the same footage twice without losing sync should be almost more than the time it takes to edit and render HDV directly.

 

[Nathyn]

The time it takes to convert from one format to another or to capture the same footage twice without losing sync should be almost more than the time it takes to edit and render HDV directly.

Thats what I was thinking too but a lot of people seem to say don't do it. I haven't done any HDV editing yet so I'm trying to figure it out now. How's it worked out for you?

-Nate

 

[Wadro]

Check out NEO HDV. I just capture with it and it converts the m2t to avi realtime as it captures. Files are good quality and very easy on the processor.(In Vegas on preview)It's not free though.

 

[Nathyn]

Check out NEO HDV. I just capture with it and it converts the m2t to avi realtime as it captures. Files are good quality and very easy on the processor.(In Vegas on preview)It's not free though.

I'm on a Mac.

-Nate