DVXuser.com exclusive hands on with the HVX200

After checking out the article on the HDX, I was wondering what the lens size is? Maybe I missed it but didn't see it.
 
ivan said:
hi soeren,

i think jonahlee´s problem is about archieving the full 80 or 100mbit streams...
the only way would really be harddiscs until blueray will come up... or tapestreamers...

cheers
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What is wrong with storing footage on a dual layer data DVD. In the original DVCPRO HD Codec?? 9 gigs?
 
Wadro said:
What is wrong with storing footage on a dual layer data DVD. In the original DVCPRO HD Codec?? 9 gigs?
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Well, there's no specification for that in the DVD Video format, so you wouldn't be able to watch it on any TV. You can certainly use a DVD+R DL to *store* footage, but then you're still limited to about 8.5 GB on a dual-layer disc. Seeing that DVCPRO HD uses about 1 GB per minute of footage shot, it's not a very viable storage medium if you have an hour-long production to archive. My guess is they're still trying to figure out the best way to handle it, and more solutions will present themselves when P2 becomes more widespread and the demand for such a need increases.
 
Regarding the working out of storage space, don't forget that like XDCAM the recording of files on P2 also encompasses a low res proxy file for proxy editing in the field AFAIK. Although much smaller than the full res file, they still take up space.
 
DeeJco1 said:
Did they show any demonstration footage in HD to show it off?
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No footage will be available for a couple of months or so. This was a non-working prototype, the product is still in development. They'll get footage to us as soon as they can, just like they did when the DVX was introduced.
 
SoerenM said:
The first players are out that can play HD from a standard DVD (DVD-R etc.) when the video is encoded with WMV9 (aka VC-1) or DivX/XviD (both MPEG4 derivates) ... basis for this development is a chip from Sigma that can decode both even up to HD res!

See http://www.divx.com/hd/ for example! And KISS Technology (from scandinavia) is about to ship/release their HD player too... so where's the prob?! ;)
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Soeren, prob is that Kiss said to have their player available by last year's end. And they promised to send me a review sample by early March. I am still waiting, despite some hefty email exchange.
That is the problem: promises don't materialize! We call this vaporware. In addition to that, nobody knows if these player can be firmware updated once the HD-DVD and the HD-BD standards will be confirmed (timeframe: Q3 or Q4, 2005).
 
PKraft said:
Soeren, prob is that Kiss said to have their player available by last year's end. And they promised to send me a review sample by early March. I am still waiting, despite some hefty email exchange.
That is the problem: promises don't materialize! We call this vaporware. In addition to that, nobody knows if these player can be firmware updated once the HD-DVD and the HD-BD standards will be confirmed (timeframe: Q3 or Q4, 2005).
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I'd call this vaporware too - if it really doesn't materialize! Of course I already noticed their delays and I'm kind of upset by this too... however the Avel Linkplayer for example (listed at divx.com/hd under Standalone Players) is already available and _works_ ... though the big let down here is that it has no DVI/HDMI out! :-((
I'm still hoping for the HD-DVD standard to use MPEG4/DivX or at least allow for it too... I already have plenty of movies in HD - most of the are raw MPEG2 transport streams and some I compressed with DivX/XviD to save space and it works beautiful and absolutely flawless!
(that's why I want a HD standalone player now with DVI output so I don't have to use my workstation anymore .. connected from another room using 15m (!) DVI cable ;o)

Cheers
 
The Avel Link Player doesn't have DVI or a kitchen sink--but it does playback WM9-encoded HD 720p and 1080i from DVD-R discs and only costs $249.00. It has the same type of progressive scan analog component outputs as the P2HD and HDV cameras have.

It's tough to beat for cheap delivery.
 
SoerenM said:
I'd call this vaporware too - if it really doesn't materialize! Of course I already noticed their delays and I'm kind of upset by this too... however the Avel Linkplayer for example (listed at divx.com/hd under Standalone Players) is already available and _works_ ... though the big let down here is that it has no DVI/HDMI out! :-((
I'm still hoping for the HD-DVD standard to use MPEG4/DivX or at least allow for it too... I already have plenty of movies in HD - most of the are raw MPEG2 transport streams and some I compressed with DivX/XviD to save space and it works beautiful and absolutely flawless!
(that's why I want a HD standalone player now with DVI output so I don't have to use my workstation anymore .. connected from another room using 15m (!) DVI cable ;o)

Cheers
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HD-DVD like HD-BD both only use H.264 and VC-1 as codecs. No Divx or Xvid or whatever other variation of those geeks' toys. That is PC world and the film industry will do anything to prevent the player manufacturers from including technology into their players that can potentially be linked to the PC world. Know why? They fear nothing more then illegal copying. In HD, mind you!
Ya know, not everything that works technically makes its way to the consumers living room, when pressure groups have the means to prevent that. So you better not count on divx. Use H.264 or VC-1, maybe wmv-9, but nothing else.

Ah, and a DVI interface? I would not count on that either. HDMI, maybe.
 
Barry_Green said:
The camera's quite a bit taller, and it's a *great* feature. Ergonimically, now when you hand-hold it, you don't have to hold it out and away from you while using the VF. Now you can lock your elbow in tight to your body, making it sort of a "monopod", and the viewfinder lines up directly with your eye. Once I saw that feature I was like "man, these guys are THINKING!"
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Indeed! Jan has shorter arms, too, and it fit to her well. A guy with long broomsticks like mine should find it very comfortable.
 
I LOVE everything about this camera, however I know I might get some flack for this silly question, but say I was shooting for a show that is presented in 4:3, how would I go about doing that with this camera. Truthfully I cannot wait for the day when 4:3 is just a memory, but until then.....
 
.. how would you do it with the cine alta.. or the varicam? .. its not like shooting 16:9 and showing in 4:3 is anything new.. youve got options:

1. pan+scan

2. crop to 4:3

3. letterbox
 
overlandfilms said:
Question: does it seem like the viewfinder no longer folds out against the body to lock for 1st assistant use? The one in the P2 video looks like it is beveled to the point where it would not.

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Hmmm. Couldn't get a feel for that. I suppose, though, even if it didn't work in the mock-up, the exact production configuration isn't 100% set, so even if the mock-up couldn't, the final model will.
 
Jubal28 said:
If you aren't showing it in 16:9, you're not within the HD spec. So, do as iamloser says.
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I realize I could crop to 4:3, just wondering if this most excellent camera would have guides for 4:3 as others do. Also if I am shooting regular DV on tape, the old fashion way, it would still be 16:9 as the CCDs are 16:9, yes? Or am I idiot? My dream is that by the time this camera is in general use that all television will be HD/16:9. Hey I can dream can't I? I did it with the HVX-200 and it came true.
 
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