DVXuser.com exclusive hands on with the HVX200

Rogue Crew said:
Hot diggity dog! I'm going to DV Expo East in Manhattan. That probably means I'll be able to report to you guys on the "real" camera, rather that a factory mock-up.

Since Panny are located right here in the Garden State, I'm going to give Jan a little breather after NAB, then ask her if we could organize a little factory tour for East Coast DVXUsers. Anyone who is in this neck of the woods, IM or email me if you'd be interested in such a tour.

Hey, I'm down ....
 
Question: does it seem like the viewfinder no longer folds out against the body to lock for 1st assistant use? The one in the P2 video looks like it is beveled to the point where it would not.

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Barry_Green said:
You've just asked the million-dollar question. There is no HD delivery medium yet. About the only way to distribute your work, where people would actually have a way of watching it, would be to encode it using Windows Media 10, in HD resolution, and burn that HD file onto a DVD-ROM, so they could play it back in their computer (although I don't know that Windows Media could compress 2 hours of HD-caliber video to fit onto a single DVD...)


Quicktime 7, coming out very soon, will also do HD. It uses the H.264 codec which also happens to be the codec they're going to use for Blue-Ray. It seems it'll even fit a 2 hour movie on a DVD. Supposedly, you can even burn HD to DVD through DVD Studio Pro 4, but I have no idea what could play it.
 
Phooey said:
Quicktime 7, coming out very soon, will also do HD. It uses the H.264 codec which also happens to be the codec they're going to use for Blue-Ray. It seems it'll even fit a 2 hour movie on a DVD. Supposedly, you can even burn HD to DVD through DVD Studio Pro 4, but I have no idea what could play it.

I thought i remembered hearing Toshiba has a player out now... maybe I was dreaming or on crack.
 
Phooey said:
Quicktime 7, coming out very soon, will also do HD. It uses the H.264 codec which also happens to be the codec they're going to use for Blue-Ray. It seems it'll even fit a 2 hour movie on a DVD. Supposedly, you can even burn HD to DVD through DVD Studio Pro 4, but I have no idea what could play it.
Any G5 equiped Macintosh is supposed to play it back, even the low end G5 iMacs, but a G5 or better is required for playback.

Actually my biggest question on this camera is archiving your material. We will need blue-ray discs just to archive all our shot material, and need quite a few of them at the amount of material these cameras will acumulate.

I work in DVD Special Features, and many studios are wanting to shoot HD material now, and especially very soon, but most studios want to own the physical tapes that the material was shot on. The problem that I see with this camera is that without tapes, you will have to archive all your material to Blue-Ray or some other medium as a back up for the studios.

Oh well, just some thoughts I have been having.
 
The first players are out that can play HD from a standard DVD (DVD-R etc.) when the video is encoded with WMV9 (aka VC-1) or DivX/XviD (both MPEG4 derivates) ... basis for this development is a chip from Sigma that can decode both even up to HD res!

See http://www.divx.com/hd/ for example! And KISS Technology (from scandinavia) is about to ship/release their HD player too... so where's the prob?! ;)
 
hi soeren,

i think jonahlee´s problem is about archieving the full 80 or 100mbit streams...
the only way would really be harddiscs until blueray will come up... or tapestreamers...

cheers
 
Yea, and I have had way too many harddrive failures to trust that format. Maybe a DCVCPRO HD Deck and make actual tapes out of the footage? Hmm. That is an expensive solution though.
 
i think panasonic is already selling a blue ray recorder in japan... maybe they will come till the end of the year to u.s. too... would be a great timing...

@ jarred and barry:

great article! the only thing i´m still missing is the resolution of the display... ?
 
jonahlee said:
Yea, and I have had way too many harddrive failures to trust that format. Maybe a DCVCPRO HD Deck and make actual tapes out of the footage? Hmm. That is an expensive solution though.
Jan had mentioned that DVCPRO HD tapes at 60 minutes run over $100 each, and even if price was no consideration, the tapes would still need to be digitized in order to use the content stored on them (a step this new camera completely eliminates.) It seems to me that Blu-Ray or some other new technology (holographic discs were also brought up at the meeting, though I doubt anything like that will be even remotely available when the camera ships) would be a much better solution.
 
"Next goal: free the film/television industry from the stranglehold of the few."

Hmm, guys, can we just remember one thing here. High Def does not qualify you to make primetime TV. *talent* does (or who you know. Depends on who you ask ;) )

Also, I agree that the blue-grey thing is a bit 'off'. Also I wish they would change the shape of the bit in front of the viewfinder. It makes the viewfinder assembly look like a vacuum cleaner handle.
 
SoerenM said:
The first players are out that can play HD from a standard DVD (DVD-R etc.) when the video is encoded with WMV9 (aka VC-1) or DivX/XviD (both MPEG4 derivates) ... basis for this development is a chip from Sigma that can decode both even up to HD res!

See http://www.divx.com/hd/ for example! And KISS Technology (from scandinavia) is about to ship/release their HD player too... so where's the prob?! ;)


I think the problem is, untill the majority of people start to buy blue-ray or HD-dvd players, this camera wouldn't be the best choice for most videographers because how would you distribute your work to the common household? I was going crazy about the camera until I thought about that one aspect.
 
"Who you know does matter. What many forget is that talent usually determines who you know!"

Thats one of the most brilliant sentences I've read in a long time! Thanks!
 
Simon Wyndham said:
"Who you know does matter. What many forget is that talent usually determines who you know!"

Thats one of the most brilliant sentences I've read in a long time! Thanks!


Not really because then it's not who you know, it's talent. I think the original point was that sometimes crap gets made because of Uncle Mike. But not most of the time. Did someone even make this point. I think it was a sidebar.
 
Hi Ivan! You're here too? ;-P
Of course I was only referring to the "problem" of final "end user delivery".

@DonDula ... of course currently as Barry said most people would only be able to get HD content delivered via DVD or internet to their PCs. And the PC needs to be fast enough of course. Perhaps 720p is even more interesting in this regard as it doesn't need as much processing power to be decoded/played as 1080p...
And there are many people out there using modified X-Boxes or off the shelf HTPCs or even assembled their own which are already able to play HD content.
Of course nothing that's close to being a mass market or something like that... not yet at least.
So I guess we'd have to find a way to deliver via cable & satellite?! ;-P
 
Hehe. The way I read it was that if you have talent then people naturally want to hang out with you, hence making more contacts, making more money etc.
 
DonDula said:
I think the problem is, untill the majority of people start to buy blue-ray or HD-dvd players, this camera wouldn't be the best choice for most videographers because how would you distribute your work to the common household? I was going crazy about the camera until I thought about that one aspect.
Except that it also records DVCPro50 with 4:2:2 in 16:9. I think a lot of people would pay $6k for that alone.
 
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