DVX300 with fixed / interchangeable lens and new sensor ?

Honestly, even if Panasonic didn't change anything about the DVX200 except for adding proper face-tracking autofocus on par with Canon's I'd buy it instantly.
 
Jaime Valles said:
If Panasonic makes a DVX300 with the equivalent of Canon's Dual Pixel Auto Focus as implemented on the 1DX II, I would buy two of them in a heartbeat.

Throw in the GH5s sensor and internal ProRes RAW recording and you have a legendary camera.
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I was looking at your post 3 months later. Still true. Sony's PXW-Z190 and Z280 cost as much or more than the DVX200 but with smaller sensors ... to get 4:2:2 10-bit the Z280 costs quite a lot more. The DVX200 w/GH5s sensor would be extremely competitive, coming in for less money in a mature platform. It just needs that sensor...
 
Agreed Jarek - although honestly the XF705 isn't as sharp as the DVX200. The DVX200 is a *great* camera at it's price point, razor sharp 4K lens. I'm very happy with it. The 4K/24p mode is fantastic :)
 
I currently have the UX180, and that in my opinion is as good or better than the DV200 but with a longer lens. Although they are both limited to 4:2:0 8bit internal and only 100mbs 4k/24p. I need something better than this. It's really the colorspace and compression that's killing these cameras for me. We really need the 150/400mbs 10bit 422 modes that the GH5(s) offer. Just take the guts of those and stick them in a camcorder body with a good zoom lens and call it a day.

I guess I've gotten a little spoiled shooting Red for the past few years and being able to push my image around so much in post. Going back to 4:2:0 8bit is a kinda a downer.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
I currently have the UX180, and that in my opinion is as good or better than the DV200 but with a longer lens. Although they are both limited to 4:2:0 8bit internal and only 100mbs 4k/24p. I need something better than this. It's really the colorspace and compression that's killing these cameras for me. We really need the 150/400mbs 10bit 422 modes that the GH5(s) offer. Just take the guts of those and stick them in a camcorder body with a good zoom lens and call it a day.

I guess I've gotten a little spoiled shooting Red for the past few years and being able to push my image around so much in post. Going back to 4:2:0 8bit is a kinda a downer.
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How's the bokeh of the ux180 given its smaller sensor?
 
Larry Chapman said:
How's the bokeh of the ux180 given its smaller sensor?
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Who cares?

Yes, I know that was a snotty answer. :happy:

Seriously, camcorders are for event shooting, run and gun, ENG. They aren't really the right tool these days for "filmmaking" with all the interchangeable lens options available.
I only care about image quality, noise, compression, ease of use. I just want a clean and sharp image, I'm not looking for bokeh on a camcorder. It's probably the last aspect I care about.

But anyway, the UX180 has a much better lens than the PX270 did, albeit it's all motorized.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Who cares?

Yes, I know that was a snotty answer. :happy:

Seriously, camcorders are for event shooting, run and gun, ENG. They aren't really the right tool these days for "filmmaking" with all the interchangeable lens options available.
I only care about image quality, noise, compression, ease of use. I just want a clean and sharp image, I'm not looking for bokeh on a camcorder. It's probably the last aspect I care about.

But anyway, the UX180 has a much better lens than the PX270 did, albeit it's all motorized.
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Yeah, we have different views. The best aspect of the DVX200 for me is that it's a camcorder that can create, what I call, "appropriate bokeh". Plenty of that in this corporate piece I just finished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU3RWBCJq9s
 
The UX180 isn't designed or intended for shooting narrow depth of field in every shot, but on the other hand, the sensor is bigger than a traditional 2/3" video camera or 16mm film frame, and with a little bit of care in staging and lighting (and maybe some ND filtration), you can use it to create moderately out of focus backgrounds in interview settings and such. It isn't THAT far behind the DVX200 (I own both) because the DVX's lens ramps its aperture down to around f/4 at all but the widest zoom settings. Still, if your style demands razor-thin DOF in every shot, you're unlikely to be completely satisfied by either one of these cameras, and will need to shoot with fast glass on an interchangeable lens large sensor camera. That's one reason why I also got an EVA-1 recently.

All these cameras complement each other and it's very unusual for me to shoot any significant project with one of them exclusively. You have to pick the right tool for each different situation and intended look. For me, narrow DOF is only necessary in a limited number of my shooting situations, while light rigged weight and a wide-range servo zoom are valuable in many. Therefore, the UX180 is the most used of the six different cameras (two of them pretty much obsolete) I own. (And I fully realize not everybody can afford a whole shelf full of different cameras, so choices and compromises have to be made.)

- Greg
 
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