Mitch Gross
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Conjecture is fun.
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DVX300 with fixed / interchangeable lens and new sensor ?
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Jim Feeley
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This isn't conjecture. This is product design.
We're doing your job for you, Mitch. ;-)
Bassman2003
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While I do not know, I find $20,000 hard to believe. Like a stated earlier in the thread, an RX10 II (yes, it is a smaller sensor, but not that small) can have a 10x f2.8 lens for camera price of ~$1300. I guess I have more faith in technology, but it seems like there can be improvements to what the DVX200 has now. F2.8 up to 100mm would help a lot. Kind of a struggle between - is this a convenient cinema type camera or a larger sensor event camera? The faster the lens gets the more it can be used in both camps. The slower the lens the less it can be used in any camp
.What you are asking for is a "junior" version of a lens like this...
That lens covers half the size of the GH5 sensor, it's way too small.
...This is highly speculative, but try and find a zoom that covers S35 for the same zoom range and speed you want, and then cut the price in half.
Bassman2003
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There is no interchangeable lens with this zoom range outside of the broadcast world. Retail pricing is always going to be huge due to the low number of sales. The use of internal fixed lens designs is where these types of focal lengths are possible at a lower cost. So no comparisons can really be made. I know the RX10 II's lens is too small to cover the m4/3rds sensor but as a point, the RX 10 II lens is quite compact. If you factor in the larger format of the DVX200 you might have a middle ground. At least something that can be better than what is basically an f4+ lens on the DVX200 now.
Can you imagine a 10x broadcast lens selling for under $1,300? They are only 2/3" chips.
Can you imagine a 10x broadcast lens selling for under $1,300? They are only 2/3" chips.
Are there any other zooms that will properly cover the GH5 sensor with the specs you are looking for that do not have "cine" pricing ?
Everything I've seen is either made for a much smaller sensor, or has pricing that approaches "cine" pricing.
Bassman2003
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My point is that the fixed lens versions can not be compared to a retail lenses with the same focal length. For example, a 10x 2/3" broadcast lens would be very expensive yet an entire camera with a 1" sensor and 10x lens can retail for $1,300. One could argue the broadcast lens is better but the lens on the RX10 II is no slouch.
Panasonic has the Lx100 camera which has an f1.7-f2.8 24-75mm eq lens and can fit in your pocket. There are no m4/3rds zooms faster than f2.8 in the retail world but one showed up on this fixed lens model. Just trying to point out that fixed lens designs seem to offer more than retail lenses. I want to hope this benefits us video folks who favor the fixed approach. Will is show up? You are probably more on target than I am but for me to buy one, I need a more versatile lens.
Panasonic has the Lx100 camera which has an f1.7-f2.8 24-75mm eq lens and can fit in your pocket. There are no m4/3rds zooms faster than f2.8 in the retail world but one showed up on this fixed lens model. Just trying to point out that fixed lens designs seem to offer more than retail lenses. I want to hope this benefits us video folks who favor the fixed approach. Will is show up? You are probably more on target than I am but for me to buy one, I need a more versatile lens.
But a 3:1 zoom ratio is very different than a 10:1 ratio. All of the faster Panasonic m4/3 zooms have a similar small zoom ratio.
Personally I have no problem with the DVX200 lens as long as it keeps focus and can maintain a constant aperture across it's full zoom when set to f/4.5. ( given a choice I would rather have a shorter zoom that did not go past f/4.0 on the long end )
I would be GREAT with this. Current DVX200 capabilities - onboard audio, HDMI etc - put in GH5s sensor/electronics for better low light - and I'm there. If the DVX200 was just a bit better in low light I'd own one today. I don't want to franken-rig a GH5/GH5s.
The EVA1 form factor would seem to be the logical size and weight for any new DVX. It also makes sense fo Panasonic to re-use existing components.
If they manage to make an F4 parfocal lens with a little wider zoom and range and
include a new sensor with added features such as internal 10bit 4K 4:2:2, potential Internal 2k Raw,
5 axis IBIS, and kept all the connections and wireless/bluetooth features then they should be on to a winner.
The improved low light sensor would make the f4 lens (or hopefully even faster) good for low light conditions.
I do feel the current lens could be a good bit wider however.
Also a 4”-5” daylight viewable touchscreen LCD would be a great advantage.
IMO it would also be good to see Panasonic get the camera into the hands of existing customers to test and evaluate first.
I trust long term and real world (small time users) who have experience with a camera over celebrity endorsements any day.
Plus I like to see the small guys/gals and those trying to create getting an opportunity to improve their set-up.
Fingers crossed Panasonic throws everything at any new DVX and out perform and spec the competition.
EDIT: I hope Panasonic keep most of the physical buttons from the DVX. Like the 48V phantom
power/ chanel 1-2 switch, gain etc, some of the controls appear to be included in the menu of the EVA1 rather than on the body,
also the AF/Manual, push auto, focus assist buttons are extremely useful with a fixed lens run and gun camera.
Basically, keep the best features of the DVX while upgrading the body and internals.
If they manage to make an F4 parfocal lens with a little wider zoom and range and
include a new sensor with added features such as internal 10bit 4K 4:2:2, potential Internal 2k Raw,
5 axis IBIS, and kept all the connections and wireless/bluetooth features then they should be on to a winner.
The improved low light sensor would make the f4 lens (or hopefully even faster) good for low light conditions.
I do feel the current lens could be a good bit wider however.
Also a 4”-5” daylight viewable touchscreen LCD would be a great advantage.
IMO it would also be good to see Panasonic get the camera into the hands of existing customers to test and evaluate first.
I trust long term and real world (small time users) who have experience with a camera over celebrity endorsements any day.
Plus I like to see the small guys/gals and those trying to create getting an opportunity to improve their set-up.
Fingers crossed Panasonic throws everything at any new DVX and out perform and spec the competition.
EDIT: I hope Panasonic keep most of the physical buttons from the DVX. Like the 48V phantom
power/ chanel 1-2 switch, gain etc, some of the controls appear to be included in the menu of the EVA1 rather than on the body,
also the AF/Manual, push auto, focus assist buttons are extremely useful with a fixed lens run and gun camera.
Basically, keep the best features of the DVX while upgrading the body and internals.
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Agreed. I own a DVX200 and find it to be a very good camera. But low-light is not one of it's strong points. I have to say that mine does gain up fairly cleanly (especially compared to Panasonic cameras that I have previously owned), but I really dislike using anything above 6db. Better low-light capability would be most welcome. Also, I would welcome a bit more lens telephoto and wide angle capability.
Would it be possible for Panasonic to produce a DVX update with an
interchangeable MFT power zoom like the one on the existing DVX200? (hopefully a faster, lighter, and wider version of the lens)
If they did, any new DVX could potentially have an interchangeable powered zoom as well as allowing differet MFT lenses.
This would really set the camera apart from any GH5s and justify the price difference.
Seeing as they have a new hybrid AF system on the EVA1 that also allows electronic IS, would it be possible
to do the same for an interchangeable MFT powered Cine zoom lens?
Panasonic could potentially sell this lens as a package deal with any new DVX or seperatly if the GH5s could
provide power to the lens.
If not a small external battery option attached to a tripod mount or collar may work to power the zoom.
Two new products and potential sales for Panasonic.
Just thinking outloud !
interchangeable MFT power zoom like the one on the existing DVX200? (hopefully a faster, lighter, and wider version of the lens)
If they did, any new DVX could potentially have an interchangeable powered zoom as well as allowing differet MFT lenses.
This would really set the camera apart from any GH5s and justify the price difference.
Seeing as they have a new hybrid AF system on the EVA1 that also allows electronic IS, would it be possible
to do the same for an interchangeable MFT powered Cine zoom lens?
Panasonic could potentially sell this lens as a package deal with any new DVX or seperatly if the GH5s could
provide power to the lens.
If not a small external battery option attached to a tripod mount or collar may work to power the zoom.
Two new products and potential sales for Panasonic.
Just thinking outloud !
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I would say no because it would massively increase the cost of the camera and lens. Think "double the price" just to have interchangeable lenses.
Personally I think an upgraded DVX200 with the same fixed lens and internal 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 recording would be a lot more realistic.
Mike Krumlauf
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I'd say panasonic should release the next iteration of the DVX camera on the DVX's 20th birthday 
. So thats 2022? :b
. So thats 2022? :bHa, it's been two years since Panasonic introduced the DVX200, and a lot longer since the original DVX or HVX so I wouldn't rule out 2022.
Hopefully Panasonic will produce a killer (smaller and lighter) DVX300 or whatever it is to be called.
Maybe a cross between the EVA1, XC15 and XF405.
Looking at the size of the new Canon XF405, I was impressed with the amount of features they managed to cram into the camera.
Of course it's only a 1" sensor and does not record 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally, but nonetheless it's a great size for run and gun work.
Plus it's got SDI and HDMI connections too. A rotating side handle on the XF405 would be a nice feature.
I would be very happy with the EVA1 body shape for any new DVX300, if they could make it even smaller and lighter then all the better.
I do think the Panasonic EVA1 LCD implementation is a lot better than either of the other two cameras, and the Panasonic fixed lens should be superior too.
IMO any new DVX300 lens also needs to be a bit wider and faster than the competition (I would love if Panasonic made it an interchangeable MFT
mount and produced the first MFT Cinema (powered) zoom lens, but as mentioned before it prob wont happen)
Finally a 5" daylight viewable touchscreen would be the icing on the cake. The existing fold down sunhood would also serve to protect the screen.
I got my hands on an EVA1 recently and while the sun hood did the job, IMO it was a bit plastiky and I wonder how it will stand up
to long time use.
JMO
Hopefully Panasonic will produce a killer (smaller and lighter) DVX300 or whatever it is to be called.
Maybe a cross between the EVA1, XC15 and XF405.
Looking at the size of the new Canon XF405, I was impressed with the amount of features they managed to cram into the camera.
Of course it's only a 1" sensor and does not record 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally, but nonetheless it's a great size for run and gun work.
Plus it's got SDI and HDMI connections too. A rotating side handle on the XF405 would be a nice feature.
I would be very happy with the EVA1 body shape for any new DVX300, if they could make it even smaller and lighter then all the better.
I do think the Panasonic EVA1 LCD implementation is a lot better than either of the other two cameras, and the Panasonic fixed lens should be superior too.
IMO any new DVX300 lens also needs to be a bit wider and faster than the competition (I would love if Panasonic made it an interchangeable MFT
mount and produced the first MFT Cinema (powered) zoom lens, but as mentioned before it prob wont happen)
Finally a 5" daylight viewable touchscreen would be the icing on the cake. The existing fold down sunhood would also serve to protect the screen.
I got my hands on an EVA1 recently and while the sun hood did the job, IMO it was a bit plastiky and I wonder how it will stand up
to long time use.
JMO
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Just spotted this on 4/3 rumors, the rumor seems to be most of what users on this forum have
been asking for so it may not be true. Or it could be a cut and paste job.
Obviously I hope it is true, time will tell.
https://www.43rumors.com/updated-dvx200-will-released-early-2018/#disqus_thread
been asking for so it may not be true. Or it could be a cut and paste job.
Obviously I hope it is true, time will tell.
https://www.43rumors.com/updated-dvx200-will-released-early-2018/#disqus_thread
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Canon 12-385mm F1.8-4.0 MFT Lens !
Another interesting development.
If Canon produces this lens then it could be a game changer.
http://thenewcamera.com/tag/canon-patents/
Another interesting development.
If Canon produces this lens then it could be a game changer.
http://thenewcamera.com/tag/canon-patents/
Hmmm... 385mm f/4.0 would mean a lens with a front element close to 100mm diameter, so I would expect this lens would be big, heavy, and expensive. This sounds like it would be a pro grade ENG or Cine lens.
I love that GH5s isn't yet a thing..but is being mentally incorporated into a new(er) model
According to m4/3 rumors, Panasonic will announce the GH5s on January 8th, so things might be cleared up in about 2 weeks.