DVX100b Vs HVX 200 : My experience
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J.R. Hudson
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Here is my experience:
And this LOW LIGHT issue ...
Control your light
And this LOW LIGHT issue ...
Control your light
Barry_Green
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Pickles?
cecil995
Well-known member
Pickles?
Sorry...its near dinner time and I must be getting hungry......I meant pixels
Barry_Green
Moderator
No worries -- of course we knew that. I just love the imagery of the camera being tightly packed with pickles... :thumbsup:
cecil995
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cecil995
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I have a dvx100a and i am not a fan of the low light...esp in 24p. The colored noise is not too flattering
so does that mean the "b" is that much better? over the "a".
I thought the a and b were about the same in this respect?
remember the dvx vs sony 2100 camera's "low light" wars of old?
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Barry_Green
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The 100a and 100b do very, very, very well in low light circumstances -- if you're shooting 60i. If you're shooting 24p, they're a stop darker and 6dB noisier. So if you want low light performance, stick to 60i.
The HVX will not match a DVX's sensitivity. In progressive it's a stop slower (needs twice as much light); in interlaced it's two stops slower. That's basically the same story with all the low-cost HD camcorders, they're all 1 to 2 stops slower than their standard-def counterparts.
The HVX will not match a DVX's sensitivity. In progressive it's a stop slower (needs twice as much light); in interlaced it's two stops slower. That's basically the same story with all the low-cost HD camcorders, they're all 1 to 2 stops slower than their standard-def counterparts.
cecil995
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Funny you should bring that up, cause I shot a wedding reception with the dvx shooting 60i and a vx2000, and the vx was kicking the dvx's butt in low light.
DavidBeier
Veteran
I really want that on the back of a box now:
And features a state of the art 1/3 CCD, packed with 60% more pickles for better low light performance.
Tim Naylor
Veteran
The 100B kicks ass. I prefer it to the HVX in many occasions such as: docs, run and gun, shows that work with available light at night, and purely SD broadcast. I own an HVX because that's what everyone wants to rent .
The B is like the way CRT's have gotten just before the onslaught of flat screens. CRT's don't have as many pixels but still deliver a superior picture with more depth, contrast, brightness, etc. There's a reason most DI work is still done on a CRT. But the rub is, everyone wants a flat screen. More pixels they think equals better pic.
I feel the B is the pinnacle of SD capture in a handheld camera. The HVX is far from the best of HD. A year or two from now when all the CRT's are in the Smithsonian, the B will be put out of it's misery.
When Panasonic can solve the noise / lowlight issue with the HVX then it'll really be a step up. They better jump on it. Sony's begining to rumble. I would really love to shoot in Cinelike D one day. I love low con imagery and not having to always crush the blacks. Do that with an HVX in CInelike D with soft light against a slightly darker than medium grey or black background, have your actor move about and you'll see noise like you've never seen with a B. It really takes the Def out of high def.
Wait till you encode to DVD. Now you'll really weep, especially when viewed on a plasma or lcd.
Then I hear all these ad hoc solutions such as shoot on Cinelike V or B Press, bump up the detail coring, and go minus on the pedastal. And just like that, we're back to that look, quasi fight club balony that is now becoming the hallmark of HVX footage.
With the B, I'm not afraid to go low con and bump up the black levels. Noise is not an issue. It's like my Canon Elph that's 6 mpix. It blows away the 10 mpix version in every resepect because there comes a point when a small chip just can't handle too many pixels.
If the new Sony EX addresses the low light and noise better than the HVX you'll see mine on craigslist.
Stop sleeping Panasonic.
Tim Naylor-Director-DP
www.timnaylor.com
The B is like the way CRT's have gotten just before the onslaught of flat screens. CRT's don't have as many pixels but still deliver a superior picture with more depth, contrast, brightness, etc. There's a reason most DI work is still done on a CRT. But the rub is, everyone wants a flat screen. More pixels they think equals better pic.
I feel the B is the pinnacle of SD capture in a handheld camera. The HVX is far from the best of HD. A year or two from now when all the CRT's are in the Smithsonian, the B will be put out of it's misery.
When Panasonic can solve the noise / lowlight issue with the HVX then it'll really be a step up. They better jump on it. Sony's begining to rumble. I would really love to shoot in Cinelike D one day. I love low con imagery and not having to always crush the blacks. Do that with an HVX in CInelike D with soft light against a slightly darker than medium grey or black background, have your actor move about and you'll see noise like you've never seen with a B. It really takes the Def out of high def.
Wait till you encode to DVD. Now you'll really weep, especially when viewed on a plasma or lcd.
Then I hear all these ad hoc solutions such as shoot on Cinelike V or B Press, bump up the detail coring, and go minus on the pedastal. And just like that, we're back to that look, quasi fight club balony that is now becoming the hallmark of HVX footage.
With the B, I'm not afraid to go low con and bump up the black levels. Noise is not an issue. It's like my Canon Elph that's 6 mpix. It blows away the 10 mpix version in every resepect because there comes a point when a small chip just can't handle too many pixels.
If the new Sony EX addresses the low light and noise better than the HVX you'll see mine on craigslist.
Stop sleeping Panasonic.
Tim Naylor-Director-DP
www.timnaylor.com
dantewaters
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vx2100
vx2100
It's funny you say that because I'm actually selling my Sony 2100 so I can finance the HVX $260 a month isn't bad. How much you think the Sony is worth right now?
I am actually selling it with my imac 20"
vx2100
It's funny you say that because I'm actually selling my Sony 2100 so I can finance the HVX $260 a month isn't bad. How much you think the Sony is worth right now?
I am actually selling it with my imac 20"