DVX100B Scene settings for 60i

steveandbelinda

steveandbelinda

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I know everyone is posting settings for 24p, but are there any for 60i? All the listed settings seem to be for 24p, and not everyone shoots in progressive. Also how much of a difference will there be if I use those setting for 60i? Whether that is your choice or not, I would like to know if others out there have dabbled in the scene settings for those of us that still shoot in 60i. I am sure that I am not the only one, and until I get comfortable with shooting footage in progressive, I will stick with 60i. I shoot mainly weddings with my 100B, and don't understand enough about switching yet. So if there is a list of setting for the 60i people, I'd love to see it. So, I hope that this thread lives past a couple of replies of why I don't shoot 24p/pa
 
The same scene files will work for 60i. The only difference is in the "progressive" setting; just set that to "off" and voila, a 60i scene file.
 
Thanks Barry, I appreciate that. Do you know how to setup the 100B toshoot in 30p? Someone told me I should shoot a wedding in 30p. So used to 60i, that I am not sure what the differences will be in editing, if there is anything special I need to know or what. And what is your opinion on shooting a wedding at, and what scene file do you think is best.
 
60i, 30p and 24p normal all go into the same timeline -- 29.98 fps. 24p advanced goes into the 23.974 fps timeline. I have only shot one wedding, and I shot in 30p and loved the results. To change just go into the scene file menu and switch the progressive option. I learned 30p and 60i are pretty much the same thing so I don't use 60i anymore but I used to use it for filming skateboarding.
 
So is there anything that I have to change before editing? I'm using Vegas Pro 8. Don't have to change any preferences or settings in editing program?
 
For 30p, go in the scene file menu and change "progressive" to 30p. In your editing program, choose the dv 29.97 preset, but change the field order to "none/progressive".

30p will cost you about a stop of sensitivity, and you'll have to get used to the different motion rendering.
 
andythefilmer said:
60i, 30p and 24p normal all go into the same timeline -- 29.98 fps. 24p advanced goes into the 23.974 fps timeline. I have only shot one wedding, and I shot in 30p and loved the results. To change just go into the scene file menu and switch the progressive option. I learned 30p and 60i are pretty much the same thing so I don't use 60i anymore but I used to use it for filming skateboarding.
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30p and 60i are the same?you lost me there...
 
Well technically yes. 60i is 60 HALF frames every second so really, it is 30 FULL frames every second, 30p is just not separated like that and in my opinion, progressive looks more professional.
 
andythefilmer said:
Well technically yes. 60i is 60 HALF frames every second so really, it is 30 FULL frames every second, 30p is just not separated like that and in my opinion, progressive looks more professional.
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There's a much bigger difference than that.

In 60i, you have 60 separate pictures taken, even if they're half-pictures. They're still 60 different instances in time, and moving objects will be in different places between each picture.

30p is only 30 pictures per second, 30 different instances in time. But between them, there's a bigger difference between the locations of moving objects.

This affects everything from the visual cadence of the motion to its usability mixing with/converting to other frame rates.

60i and 30p are far from the same thing, even if they're both sometimes described as "29.97." They really shouldn't be.
 
David Jimerson said:
There's a much bigger difference than that.

In 60i, you have 60 separate pictures taken, even if they're half-pictures. They're still 60 different instances in time, and moving objects will be in different places between each picture.

30p is only 30 pictures per second, 30 different instances in time. But between them, there's a bigger difference between the locations of moving objects.

This affects everything from the visual cadence of the motion to its usability mixing with/converting to other frame rates.

60i and 30p are far from the same thing, even if they're both sometimes described as "29.97." They really shouldn't be.
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I agree I shoot mainly in 60i because I shoot alot of fast moving outdoor video. Shooting in 30p I have to slow down pans or risk having jutter just like 24p, yes progressive does look different than interlaced , but I wouldn't say one looks more professional than the other, they just look different. I have noticed alot on tv lately that progressive seems to jutter on my set, interlaced fottage seems to still flow smoothly without pixelation, but certain shows that have the look of progressive pixelate and transitions really seem degraded. Therefore I feel for viewers with SD TV's interlaced footage maybe view better........just a thought.
 
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