DVX simulating 8/16mm

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I can't afford it that's what's wrong with it, and if I could afford it I'd just purchase it and billy would come out with windows you or them or me two. I just loves my win 2000 pro and my co-co 2
 
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*hugs his mac and FCP* Cant offer any real suggestions on the pc software front since I havnt used any for years. But you certainly can get some good film looks with the DVX. We shot a music video using 2 of them and did all the post in FCP and it came out pretty nice. check it out at http://www.exfilms.com under the double clutch video. The only real thing that made it stand out as video was the lack of DOF which was primarily due to not having enough light (damn the clouds).

I played with the black levels and the gain as well as using the color correction tools to tell it what was black white and grey and it came out pretty nice then just used some color balance to tint it.

The one thing I try to hammer into peoples heads is to do as few effects in camera as possible. With the DVX i would always recommend using the film gamma settings etc but aside from the basic effects like that you should try to get a clean frame so that you can try many different things in post without having to be stuck with what was recorded.
 
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[quote author=DigitalAsylum link=board=Clips;num=1101460347;start=15#21 date=11/26/04 at 23:03:22]*hugs his mac and FCP*



The one thing I try to hammer into peoples heads is to do as few effects in camera as possible. With the DVX i would always recommend using the film gamma settings etc but aside from the basic effects like that you should try to get a clean frame so that you can try many different things in post without having to be stuck with what was recorded.[/quote]

I'm confused a little here. I always considered the gamma etc as settings as in scene file settings. By effects you mean adjusting chroma levels, phase and color temp etc? Is that basicaly what your saying? or is my brain in thick mode
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I think he's talking about the b/w, sepia, negative, etc you know those COOL standard effects. I think. I love shooting black n white in the DVX and change it in post to color. WOW. ;)
 
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I actually wasnt refering to anything as obvious as shooting negative or sepia etc. I meant doing tricks like trying to skew your colors by white balancing on a green card etc. Things that will give you a certain look that might be awesome but can be easily achieved in post.

Basicly all I was infering is get the cleanest image possible and do as much work as you can in post as apposed to in camera, certain things like the cinegamma and basic scene settings are obviously going to be a heck of a lot easier to do in camera and would perhaps come out much shoddier in post.
 
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[quote author=DigitalAsylum link=board=Clips;num=1101460347;start=15#21 date=11/26/04 at 23:03:22]*hugs his mac and FCP* Cant offer any real suggestions on the pc software front since I havnt used any for years.  But you certainly can get some good film looks with the DVX.  We shot a music video using 2 of them and did all the post in FCP and it came out pretty nice.  check it out at http://www.exfilms.com under the double clutch video.  The only real thing that made it stand out as video was the lack of DOF which was primarily due to not having enough light (damn the clouds).  

I played with the black levels and the gain as well as using the color correction tools to tell it what was black white and grey and it came out pretty nice then just used some color balance to tint it.  

The one thing I try to hammer into peoples heads is to do as few effects in camera as possible.  With the DVX i would always recommend using the film gamma settings etc but aside from the basic effects like that you should try to get a clean frame so that you can try many different things in post without having to be stuck with what was recorded.[/quote]

Hi Shawn

It's John. I was the DP on that little 'promo shoot' (Dan Lahav was the second DVX Cameraman). You still luggin that XL1 around? :D
 
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gotcha... i can put baby back in her box now and stop looking for the effects button :)
 
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Heya John!

Yeah the XL-1 is still alive and kicking though there are some issues with it recording garbage on occasion but its an old camera and probably due for retirement.

I dont own a DVX but I love the camera after working with john and editing the footage. Ive actually got a project comming up soon that im hoping to shoot with DVXs in a real fun environment.

Speaking of which John, be sure to get in touch with Kevin I know he was tryin to reach you.
 
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[quote author=DigitalAsylum link=board=Clips;num=1101460347;start=15#28 date=11/26/04 at 23:43:48]Heya John!

Yeah the XL-1 is still alive and kicking though there are some issues with it recording garbage on occasion but its an old camera and probably due for retirement.  

I dont own a DVX but I love the camera after working with john and editing the footage.  Ive actually got a project comming up soon that im hoping to shoot with DVXs in a real fun environment.

Speaking of which John, be sure to get in touch with Kevin I know he was tryin to reach you.[/quote]

With the XL2 and the DVX and the FX1 the fields getting wide open huh? I'm sticking with the DVX until my 'skilly' warrants an upgrade though.

I'll try and reach kevin tomorrow; Tell him I found a writer (he'll know what that's all about).

Welcome to the forum! :)
 
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I actually wasnt refering to anything as obvious as shooting negative or sepia etc.  I meant doing tricks like trying to skew your colors by white balancing on a green card etc.  Things that will give you a certain look that might be awesome but can be easily achieved in post.
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I knew what you meant, I was just being silly.    :)
 
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Hey shawn, how many cameras on that shoot? I've never shot a music video but have envisioned how I would. Not live but I have always thought one could shoot the band doing the song say five time from different angles then edit it down so to speak. Would this approach work and are there things to beware of? thanks
 
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Hey shawn, how many cameras on that shoot? I've never shot a music video but have envisioned how I would. Not live but I have always thought one could shoot the band doing the song say five time from different angles then edit it down so to speak. Would this approach work and are there things to beware of? thanks
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I shoot all my music videos with 1 camera. It's not nessary to have multiple cameras. It all depends on how complex your shot is. If you want a car explosion of some sort then multiple cameras would be used. Theres nothing worng with having your artist reapeating the song several times with several different angles.
 
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We had 2 DVX100s and 2 different locations. We shot more than 5 angles total, each camera had a different job each time through let me see how much I can remember and John can elaborate on anything I forgot.

Take/Camera: Shot:
1A Wide Whole Band
1B Wide Whole Band Low Angle
2A Medium Band Member 1
2B Close Band Member 1
3A Wide Band Member 1 MTV Style
3B Medium Band Member 1 MTV
4A Head & Shoulders Band Member 1
4B Feet/Hands Band Member 1
(Repeat 2A-4B For Each Band Member 4 in total)
13A Hand Held Roving
13B Hand Held Roving
14A Hand Held Around Drummer
14B Hand Held Insturment Closups
15A-25A Various Jib shots of band

Thats a rough concept obviously not taking into account multiple takes and random shots you come up with on the fly. We were only shooting 45 seconds of the song since it was a demo but we easily had about 50 minutes of footage from each camera to edit with. This provides a lot of option for cutting since you never want a take to last much longer than a second or 2 unless it is a special shot like a big crane move or something interesting.

My best advice is to have fun and be creative with your shots, do things that are totaly silly because you never know whats going to work. And get as much footage as you can so you have tons of options to cut with. I was extremely happy to have a lot of options when editing the peice since it allowed me to do quick interesting cuts without seeing the same thing twice throughout the video.
 
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I agree that multiple angles are not required but I have to say that it made a huge difference in time being able to shoot twice as much footage per take! Economy of time can be very important and puts less wear and tear on the band since they will have to be doing the song over and over and over.
 
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Thanks for the info man. Was that shot list put together in pre production or were those the shots you got and had to work with? Did you design any lighting or go with the bands stage lighting? How was the audio captured? was it in cam or synced audio audio from DAT or....? sorry to plague you but I'm interesed in how music vids are put together
 
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The list was agreed upon by the Director John and Myself before the shoot (albiet i think it was about an hour before the shoot when we figured out how we wanted to do it) But yes we had a general concept of all the kinds of shots we wanted to get before we actually began.

As for lighting, I think you might be looking at the wrong clip. There is a video of Double Clutch preforming live which Kevin Carpenter filmed at a couple different shows, but if you dig futher you will find the 45 second demo/music video we shot. For the video we used only natural light which is impressive considering how well it came out but we were also on a roof top in down town San Diego so we didnt have the power nor could we get much equipment up there that would over power the natural light (no 5ks in the garage).

For audio on a shoot you would normal have the band play back with your source track. Using video you can get away with just playing a CD loud enough for them to play back with and not worry about synching up to much, though a slate with a proper clap can be helpful.

Between the audio from the camera and the CD and the visual reference you can usually sync perfectly.

In the case of the Double Clutch music video we actually didnt have anything that would play loud enough to be heard over the drums and guitar. So in the end we ended up just having the band play and crossed out fingers they would be close to the original track and somewhat consistent. In the end I had to speed up and slow down a couple of the longer clips in order to sync them up but its not noticable in the final render. As well for some reason our second camera didnt record sound so I had to sing a long with the footage to figure out what the hell I was syncing to :)

Anyways hope thats some more useful information. In general you should always plan out as many shots as possible, story board if you can, even if its just stick figures. And try to play with your camera at the location before hand to figure out some looks you want to use which can help you with planning your shots if you have a certain style your shooting for.
 
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Wow info like this delivered at 3am wow... thanks man!!!!! ;)
 
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