dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
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mr._guiyotinne
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Pptphoto maybe it´s a Diesel cam... But it wolud be far better to be able to use fuell cells... ;D
Pptphoto maybe it´s a Diesel cam... But it wolud be far better to be able to use fuell cells... ;D
mr._guiyotinne
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
in fact Panasonics HDX is the first antigravity camera system so you don´t have to worry about the dollys or jibs, just program its embedded alien UFO to do what you want.
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Enjoy your new machine... Color may change...
in fact Panasonics HDX is the first antigravity camera system so you don´t have to worry about the dollys or jibs, just program its embedded alien UFO to do what you want.
PUBLICTY : Forget about FXs! Get a real Stratosphere freefall due to our new technology LAI (little alien inside) wich will allow to to make your family gasp! Animals rights association won´t sue you cos Xenophorms are not included in their lists. And it´s powered with CO2 and brussels sprouts!
Enjoy your new machine... Color may change...
Flintstone
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
LOL
LOL
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
apart from being lead free, more than likely the only technological advance is that it will come in a smaller cardboard box
heres a user quote for dvx voters
" his weapon of choice is a Panasonic AG-DVX100 progressive scan Mini DV camcorder. Darren thought long and hard before deciding on the Panny, but the deciding factor was its progressive scan mode, Darren says this is ideal for the type of films he makes as it saves hours in post production trying to get that “Film-Look” which can be very involved with filters, colour correction, gamma levels and who knows what else, the Panasonic AG-DVX100 does it all in-camera so you don’t have to bother"
and heres his work, excellent?
http://www.channel7.org.uk/
apart from being lead free, more than likely the only technological advance is that it will come in a smaller cardboard box
heres a user quote for dvx voters
" his weapon of choice is a Panasonic AG-DVX100 progressive scan Mini DV camcorder. Darren thought long and hard before deciding on the Panny, but the deciding factor was its progressive scan mode, Darren says this is ideal for the type of films he makes as it saves hours in post production trying to get that “Film-Look” which can be very involved with filters, colour correction, gamma levels and who knows what else, the Panasonic AG-DVX100 does it all in-camera so you don’t have to bother"
and heres his work, excellent?
http://www.channel7.org.uk/
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
british video show quote may affect your vote !
"buzzword at the show was “HD” and it would appear that 2005 is going to be the year of HD. Sony, Panasonic and JVC all had HD camcorders on display with speakers from Sony and Panasonic explaining in depth the current state of affairs with this great format.
Panasonic had their DVC Pro HD models being demonstrated whilst Sony had their Pro HDV and consumer HDR-FX1 and HVR-Z1E HD camcorders being demonstrated. The quality from these cameras via the HD screens was absolutely stunning; the pictures were so sharp I had to stand back from the screen in fear of cutting myself. The colours were beautifully saturated with great depth, tonal and contrast range. For anyone who hasn’t had a chance to see HD in action, take my word for it, the quality is absolutely stunning, even from the HDR-FX1 consumer model; I could not fault the picture at all. It was every bit as good as the best D9 or DigiBeta footage that I have seen.
I am sure that standard definition camcorders now have a limited shelf life, I mean the Sony HDR-FX1 cost just £2,400 and the professional version the HVR-Z1E cost around £3,500, which is little more than the VX2100 or PD170. The latter two camcorders will be dropped this year for sure and from what I can gather a professional version of this particular HD format will be out later in the year. This will almost certainly be along the lines of the current DSR570 DVCAM camcorder and will be priced similarly to the 570. We will then have a shoulder mounted version that sports the great quality that this particular version of HD has to offer, but with true professional features such as a removable lens with back focus adjustability and a true focus ring that actually stops at infinity and macro.
At the pro end of the scale, SD will also disappear very soon. Sony are also keen to remove their Digibeta format simply because the HDW750 is now the same price as Digibeta and it’s a far superior camera, and does both HD and SD." nigel williams http://www.dvuser.co.uk/
british video show quote may affect your vote !
"buzzword at the show was “HD” and it would appear that 2005 is going to be the year of HD. Sony, Panasonic and JVC all had HD camcorders on display with speakers from Sony and Panasonic explaining in depth the current state of affairs with this great format.
Panasonic had their DVC Pro HD models being demonstrated whilst Sony had their Pro HDV and consumer HDR-FX1 and HVR-Z1E HD camcorders being demonstrated. The quality from these cameras via the HD screens was absolutely stunning; the pictures were so sharp I had to stand back from the screen in fear of cutting myself. The colours were beautifully saturated with great depth, tonal and contrast range. For anyone who hasn’t had a chance to see HD in action, take my word for it, the quality is absolutely stunning, even from the HDR-FX1 consumer model; I could not fault the picture at all. It was every bit as good as the best D9 or DigiBeta footage that I have seen.
I am sure that standard definition camcorders now have a limited shelf life, I mean the Sony HDR-FX1 cost just £2,400 and the professional version the HVR-Z1E cost around £3,500, which is little more than the VX2100 or PD170. The latter two camcorders will be dropped this year for sure and from what I can gather a professional version of this particular HD format will be out later in the year. This will almost certainly be along the lines of the current DSR570 DVCAM camcorder and will be priced similarly to the 570. We will then have a shoulder mounted version that sports the great quality that this particular version of HD has to offer, but with true professional features such as a removable lens with back focus adjustability and a true focus ring that actually stops at infinity and macro.
At the pro end of the scale, SD will also disappear very soon. Sony are also keen to remove their Digibeta format simply because the HDW750 is now the same price as Digibeta and it’s a far superior camera, and does both HD and SD." nigel williams http://www.dvuser.co.uk/
24pordeath
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Guys DVX100A is 3999$ canadian dollars in toronto with a dealer. He just called me yesterday as I already bought one in Jan to see if I need another one.
Guys DVX100A is 3999$ canadian dollars in toronto with a dealer. He just called me yesterday as I already bought one in Jan to see if I need another one.
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
well ive decided on the new hd cameras, probably the panasonic: heres why:
"does anyone know if the new hd cameras, which are all 16:9 could just be used as dv cameras it would save any messing about with adaptors or squeeze mode, and make the dvx redundant? "
by barry green:"Yes both the Sony cameras offer regular DV recording, and the new Panasonic will offer high-def, DVCPRO-50, and regular DV recording."
problem now will be which one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and does it make sense to buy a hd camera and not use it for hd!
well ive decided on the new hd cameras, probably the panasonic: heres why:
"does anyone know if the new hd cameras, which are all 16:9 could just be used as dv cameras it would save any messing about with adaptors or squeeze mode, and make the dvx redundant? "
by barry green:"Yes both the Sony cameras offer regular DV recording, and the new Panasonic will offer high-def, DVCPRO-50, and regular DV recording."
problem now will be which one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and does it make sense to buy a hd camera and not use it for hd!
Flintstone
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
[quote author=geffy link=board=HDV;num=1108567176;start=45#49 date=02/20/05 at 16:22:59]problem now will be which one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and does it make sense to buy a hd camera and not use it for hd![/quote]
The HDX will make sense regardless if you use HD or not, if only for DVCPro50, that is good enough for me!
[quote author=geffy link=board=HDV;num=1108567176;start=45#49 date=02/20/05 at 16:22:59]problem now will be which one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and does it make sense to buy a hd camera and not use it for hd![/quote]
The HDX will make sense regardless if you use HD or not, if only for DVCPro50, that is good enough for me!
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Be careful quoting things as fact, especially when quoting people out of context. We know it's coming, but people need to chill and go shoot some films until it comes out.
Be careful quoting things as fact, especially when quoting people out of context. We know it's coming, but people need to chill and go shoot some films until it comes out.
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
"Be careful quoting things as fact, especially when quoting people out of context. We know it's coming, but people need to chill and go shoot some films until it comes out."
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=Links;action=display;num=1108317220
Its not out of context! id hate to see someone spend a lot of money without having at least an indication of what theyre getting into, 16:9 is so important here, people have to be aware of everything, salesmen arnt the most unbiased of people
"Be careful quoting things as fact, especially when quoting people out of context. We know it's coming, but people need to chill and go shoot some films until it comes out."
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=Links;action=display;num=1108317220
Its not out of context! id hate to see someone spend a lot of money without having at least an indication of what theyre getting into, 16:9 is so important here, people have to be aware of everything, salesmen arnt the most unbiased of people
Barry_Green
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16:9 is quite important in Europe, yes, moreso even than it is in the US. Although the US is seeing some rapid adoption of 16:9 televisions as well. All over-the-air non-HD broadcasts in the US are still 4:3, but in Europe I understand that at least Britain, and probably other countries as well, are requiring 16:9 masters.
For SD broadcast/DVD, the existing DVX (in progressive/thin) can do 16:9 on par with "native" 16:9 cameras like the PDX10 and the FX1 (when downsampled to SD, or when used in DV mode). The XL2 does it with even higher resolution, and the forthcoming Panasonic should as well.
16:9 is quite important in Europe, yes, moreso even than it is in the US. Although the US is seeing some rapid adoption of 16:9 televisions as well. All over-the-air non-HD broadcasts in the US are still 4:3, but in Europe I understand that at least Britain, and probably other countries as well, are requiring 16:9 masters.
For SD broadcast/DVD, the existing DVX (in progressive/thin) can do 16:9 on par with "native" 16:9 cameras like the PDX10 and the FX1 (when downsampled to SD, or when used in DV mode). The XL2 does it with even higher resolution, and the forthcoming Panasonic should as well.
SimonMW
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Geffy, don't write the SD cameras off just yet. Officially the PDW510 has replaced the DSR570, and it says as much on one of Sony's websites. Further to this I wouldn't bank on the SD line such as the PD170 being dropped either. Sony are releasing 4 new professional SD shoulder cameras at NAB. Now, I don't know about you, but this fact says to me that even Sony themselves don't expect a massive HD explosion any time soon.
The cameras they are releasing are;
DSR-400(P) 4:3 DVCAM camcorder
DSR-450WS(P) 4:3 & 16:9 DVCAM camcorder
MSW-970(P) MPEG-IMX camcorder
DVW-970(P) Digital Betacam camcorder
Despite rumours of an HD version of XDCAM nicknamed "XDCAM jnr" it appears that this may well only be a prototype. We shall see.
Something that everyone forgets is that people replace equipment as expensive as this when it NEEDS replacing. Even then all those SD cameras have to go somewhere, and most often sold on to someone else. So SD cameras will be in circulation and use, and probably more dominant than HD, for a very, very, very long time yet.
Geffy, don't write the SD cameras off just yet. Officially the PDW510 has replaced the DSR570, and it says as much on one of Sony's websites. Further to this I wouldn't bank on the SD line such as the PD170 being dropped either. Sony are releasing 4 new professional SD shoulder cameras at NAB. Now, I don't know about you, but this fact says to me that even Sony themselves don't expect a massive HD explosion any time soon.
The cameras they are releasing are;
DSR-400(P) 4:3 DVCAM camcorder
DSR-450WS(P) 4:3 & 16:9 DVCAM camcorder
MSW-970(P) MPEG-IMX camcorder
DVW-970(P) Digital Betacam camcorder
Despite rumours of an HD version of XDCAM nicknamed "XDCAM jnr" it appears that this may well only be a prototype. We shall see.
Something that everyone forgets is that people replace equipment as expensive as this when it NEEDS replacing. Even then all those SD cameras have to go somewhere, and most often sold on to someone else. So SD cameras will be in circulation and use, and probably more dominant than HD, for a very, very, very long time yet.
Flintstone
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
[quote author=SimonMW link=board=HDV;num=1108567176;start=45#54 date=02/21/05 at 02:55:33]The cameras they are releasing are;
DSR-400(P) 4:3 DVCAM camcorder
DSR-450WS(P) 4:3 & 16:9 DVCAM camcorder
MSW-970(P) MPEG-IMX camcorder
DVW-970(P) Digital Betacam camcorder
[/quote]
Wow, they actually have the nerve to bring out a 4:3 native camcorder? Also, I'm very surprised that they are releasing a new DigiBeta camcorder, as they droped the line when IMX came out. It's not that it's bad news, 90Mbps 10bit SD is a great thing. I guess Sony can't manage to ignore it's customers for too long.
[quote author=SimonMW link=board=HDV;num=1108567176;start=45#54 date=02/21/05 at 02:55:33]The cameras they are releasing are;
DSR-400(P) 4:3 DVCAM camcorder
DSR-450WS(P) 4:3 & 16:9 DVCAM camcorder
MSW-970(P) MPEG-IMX camcorder
DVW-970(P) Digital Betacam camcorder
[/quote]
Wow, they actually have the nerve to bring out a 4:3 native camcorder? Also, I'm very surprised that they are releasing a new DigiBeta camcorder, as they droped the line when IMX came out. It's not that it's bad news, 90Mbps 10bit SD is a great thing. I guess Sony can't manage to ignore it's customers for too long.
Barry_Green
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
With the adoption of 16:9 televisions going the way it is, I would expect to see a shift in that attitude a few years from now, but if someone's producing content *now* for distribution *now*, there's nothing wrong with using the broadcast shape that's in use now...
Well, yeah. Considering that *all* cable and over-the-air broadcasts in the USA are 4:3 (except for the few HD broadcasts out there), and the USA's not that small of a market, and you get better 4:3 video from a 4:3 chip than you do from a 16:9 chip... yes there are good reasons to introduce a 4:3 camera.
With the adoption of 16:9 televisions going the way it is, I would expect to see a shift in that attitude a few years from now, but if someone's producing content *now* for distribution *now*, there's nothing wrong with using the broadcast shape that's in use now...
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Contrary to myth, 4:3 TVs are not disappearing. I just checked out several big-box stores this weekend, and 70% of the TVs -- including brand new LCD and ED TVs -- were still 4:3.
Granted, they're pushing the 16:9 TVs the hardest, but a quick check of the price tag will tell you why.
And anecdotally, every single TV going out the door was 4:3.
Contrary to myth, 4:3 TVs are not disappearing. I just checked out several big-box stores this weekend, and 70% of the TVs -- including brand new LCD and ED TVs -- were still 4:3.
Granted, they're pushing the 16:9 TVs the hardest, but a quick check of the price tag will tell you why.
And anecdotally, every single TV going out the door was 4:3.
Flintstone
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Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
Well, that's it. 16x9 is easily letterboxed on 4x3. And the show/program/short/feature will be future proof for 16x9 displays. Most of the programs I watch on my 4x3 TV are letterboxed anyway. So my point remains, even for today, except maybe for news and sports, most of the programs are letterboxed... so why bother with 4x3?
Well, that's it. 16x9 is easily letterboxed on 4x3. And the show/program/short/feature will be future proof for 16x9 displays. Most of the programs I watch on my 4x3 TV are letterboxed anyway. So my point remains, even for today, except maybe for news and sports, most of the programs are letterboxed... so why bother with 4x3?
Re: dvx 100 prices moniter: blame the hdx100
I'm guessing that different broadcasters have different requirements. If they want 4X3, then that's what you'll give them.
Everytime I hear the word Futureproof I don't know whether to laugh or take it seriously. I know it's a valid point of trying to insure that media will be relevent and maintain quality ten years from now. But there's no telling if film will be the main source of entertainment in ten years. Maybe I should just get three DVX's, jam em together for 3d so that my films are future proofed.
I also question just how much you can proof television material. Unless there's a unique show like the Old Star Trek, or a sitcom, I generally steer clear of old television. With the old television that I do watch I associate the look with a sense of nostalgia. Who's to say that future proofing material isn't destroying nostalgia?
What about past proofing material? A lot of programs that are newer are using effects to mimic old footage, like sepia, scratched film, etc. What if DV compression becomes an effect?
Alright, enough stoking of the fire. Future proof, past proof, one hundred proof. 8)
I'm guessing that different broadcasters have different requirements. If they want 4X3, then that's what you'll give them.
Everytime I hear the word Futureproof I don't know whether to laugh or take it seriously. I know it's a valid point of trying to insure that media will be relevent and maintain quality ten years from now. But there's no telling if film will be the main source of entertainment in ten years. Maybe I should just get three DVX's, jam em together for 3d so that my films are future proofed.
I also question just how much you can proof television material. Unless there's a unique show like the Old Star Trek, or a sitcom, I generally steer clear of old television. With the old television that I do watch I associate the look with a sense of nostalgia. Who's to say that future proofing material isn't destroying nostalgia?
What about past proofing material? A lot of programs that are newer are using effects to mimic old footage, like sepia, scratched film, etc. What if DV compression becomes an effect?
Alright, enough stoking of the fire. Future proof, past proof, one hundred proof. 8)