DVCPRO HD Codec from HVX

David S. said:
But that's my point. Not all of us work in cross platform environments.
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Ah, but as the old saying goes: "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."

You have not run into any problems yet, so okay -- more power to you. But others have run into this problem (er, for example, the whole point of the original post in this thread?) And I think people should be made aware that they're choosing a closed path when they choose the Apple FCP solution.

I will always maintain that an open system with interchangeable interoperability is indeed superior to a closed system that prevents you from working with others. Call me crazy that way, but I absolutely assert that FCP's xenophobic attitude is "inferior" to the interoperable system chosen by every other NLE.

Doesn't mean you can't love FCP all you want, and it certainly doesn't mean that FCP "as an NLE" is inferior to the others. But that particular closed-system approach is inferior, no doubt about it.

I also have Premiere CS3 on my system, and it has native mxf support.

I never touch it.
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I also have an iMac, with FCP on it. I also never touch it. :)
 
Barry_Green said:
People can choose their NLE for any variety of reasons, whether it's compatibility with certain plug-ins or because they already know how to use it or it's what their friends use at school or it's what they use on the job, or whatever. And to choose an NLE specifically because they want to work with footage from their camcorder is a plenty fine reason. But if that camcorder is a P2 camcorder, then to choose FCP because you want to work with HVX/HPX footage? That's crazy. If that was the camcorder someone expected to be using, FCP would be the last editor I'd recommend.

If someone wants to move to FCP for other legitimate reasons, go right ahead. But to move to it because you want to work with P2 footage would be the completely wrong decision, as every other editor works with the footage better and in a cross-platform-compatible way.
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wait...were you replying to my post? lol, cause i was the one saying fcp was no good. maybe you were replying to someone else's

-connor
 
David Jimerson said:
Like FCP, the way it handles (or doesn't handle) MXFs natively doesn't speak to whether or not it's a "lesser" program.
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no you are right, ive got a 200item laundry list of FCP features that suck, and another 200 reason premiere pro beats it out everytime in performance and intrface editing, but like i said, i dont wanna turn this into a fcp bashing thread...dont wanna offend any soccer moms or 17yr old kids in highschool who think apple is a beacon of light and lays golden eggs, lol.

-connor
 
crobs808 said:
........, but like i said, i dont wanna turn this into a fcp bashing thread...dont wanna offend any soccer moms or 17yr old kids in highschool who think apple is a beacon of light and lays golden eggs, lol.

-connor
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Hate to read your posts if you were trying to turn it into a bash-fest.......:shocked:
 
no, i am trying not to, thats why im not posting all the negative things i could easily say about FCP....ppl are gonna use whatever they want, so why post about it. its useless. see, im avoiding bashing, not causing it.

-connor
 
You know FCP may have its issues but man I haven't had the blue screen of death for over 5 years now and as far as operating systems go... nothing comes even close to Apple OSX. It just works. I started out on Premiere 4.5 and gave it up on 6.0 but now that it runs on a mac ( correct me if I am wrong) I may have to look at it again. A fully integrated NLE is what I would like to see in any future updates to FCP.

JK
 
Barry_Green said:
Ah, but as the old saying goes: "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."
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LOL.

But Barry, I also always preserve my original p2 Volumes via redundant backup.

The source stuff is always in mxf format for later retrieval.

You really should sell that iMac and FCP seat.

:)
 
crobs808 said:
but like i said, i dont wanna turn this into a fcp bashing thread...dont wanna offend any soccer moms or 17yr old kids in highschool who think apple is a beacon of light and lays golden eggs, lol.

-connor
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Comments like yours that I quoted serve no purpose at all. I would venture that the greater percentage of HVX200 users are on a Mac, a guess that Barry would likely confirm.

Why alienate a whole bunch of editors on either platform. Exactly what do your comments contribute to the discussion?
 
Jim Kinsey said:
You know FCP may have its issues but man I haven't had the blue screen of death for over 5 years now and as far as operating systems go... nothing comes even close to Apple OSX. It just works. I started out on Premiere 4.5 and gave it up on 6.0 but now that it runs on a mac ( correct me if I am wrong) I may have to look at it again. A fully integrated NLE is what I would like to see in any future updates to FCP.

JK
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lol, 5 years is all? i'm STILL on xp and havent gotten the blue screen since sp1 came out in 2002, so thats 6 years on windows, and no BSOD. if you think you would keep getting the blue screen had you stayed on xp, then there's a "user error" in play.

p.s. - premiere pro on mac is worthless, due to mac's memory hog requirements. i tried editing on premiere pro cs2 on mac (same thing i use on pc every day, day in and day out) and it was terrible. premiere pro cs2 on pc = 100% awesome, premiere pro cs on mac = worse than imovie.

-connor
 
Conner,

I think the BSOD came from some driver issues and I was running the Matrox RT 2500 at the time. My friend Wayne Andrews ( who helped design the AXIO ) at Matrox supplied me the rt 2500 and I traded some stock footage for their reel at NAB in 2001 or 2002. Kind of funny it played right along side of Steve Irwin's ( Croc Hunters ) footage. I made the choice to try another NLE and choose Apple. So i bought a dual G5 with 4 gigs of Ram and FCP. That machine has pounded out 15 feature length shows winning 2 Silver Tellys and more. Not 1 break down ever and is currently being used to produce 13 original episodes for tv by my assistant editor. Mind you the PC machine I refer to was a pentium II 450 with 2 (10) gig western digital drives. I later upgraded the motherboard and new procerrors flip chip pentium III 850 dual and 4 gigs of ram. Lots of issues with that machine but for its time it was top of the line. Still sits in the edit bay with Photoshop, AE and some other programs. But like Barry said " his imac sits in the corner and he never touches it." I do the same with old Blue....

JK
 
iMac 24" with FCS2 is what I have been eyeing for awhile (making a match for the HVX200) but maybe I'm heading in the wrong direction?
 
New Zealand,

I say find the best solution that works for you. I use FCP but there are plenty of NLE's out there that work fine. I just bought the latest Macbook pro 17" and the Sonnet F2 fusion drive for offloading our EX1 footage and some SDE stuff. I believe that machine would be fine for the HVX200. Just pick up some external storage like a firewire 800 drive for playback of the DVCPRO HD stuff.
 
New_Zealand said:
iMac 24" with FCS2 is what I have been eyeing for awhile (making a match for the HVX200) but maybe I'm heading in the wrong direction?
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Well, the question is what makes you want that particular combination? If your main criteria is that you think it's the best combo specifically for the HVX, I'd say that's definitely the wrong direction. But if you want FCS2 no matter what, then the iMac could work fine.
 
New Zealand,

The triple interface 7200 rpm bus power g-drive mini works great for offloading in the field. They are a bit pricey but this is what I use. Do some research and you will find there are quite a few drives. For the iMAC combination you may want the powered version in say 500 gigs or a terabyte. For remote laptop offloading where no power is available the g-drive mini is a safe choice. check out the link below.

http://www.g-technology.com/products/G-DRIVE-mini.cfm

JK
 
That will work fine. FCP will not natively import mxf files. If that is important to you, then you can use Raylight.

It isn't to me, however. I have Raylight and don't use it with FCP.

Barry will confirm that most HVX200 users are Mac-based.

That's a lot of people going in the wrong direction.

Kinda like the sign that says "Go back, you are going the wrong way."

How does the sign know where I am going?

:)
 
Barry - That was the combo that was told to me by a few people. Not really knowing PC very well or other editing softwares outside of FCP, I figure that would be the route I may have to take. I don't find FCP a very easy product to work with. I would like the best set up that would make editing film and downloading the P2 card easy. Point me in the right direction - Computer and software. I can use my Mac Laptop in the field and a PC as my workstation at home. It isn't too late to learn something new.

Jim - Thanks for the info.
 
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