DSLR gains from the Nikon D7000: cross your fingers

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who is hoping that Nikon has done some things right. There are some areas that are NOT likely going to improve, while there are some other areas that Nikon has done well at (in the past) .....that (if we cross our fingers) maybe we'll see some marked gains for the DSLR market.

0. Manual control: (just a note) This freaking thing better have TRUE manual control: Aperture, ISO, Shutter...or this will be a waste of time for us all. Nuff said.

UPDATE 2: Early results say YES. Man Nikon....it doesn't take much to get this right for goodness sake! (UPDATE 3)More recent here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...your-fingers&p=2133170&viewfull=1#post2133170

Here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...your-fingers&p=2132955&viewfull=1#post2132955

1. Shoot usable video footy at ISO 3200: Nikon has traditionally been better in low light. Depending on your standards, taste, post-processing, MANY Canon users will use ISO 1600 footy in a pinch. Let's cross our fingers and hope that Nikon's already significant advantage in the area will be "realized" on their video footy. Usable footy at ISO 3200 would basically upgrade EVERYONE's glass collection by ONE FULL STOP! WOWSER!

UPDATE: Early results say YES! See it here: (ISO 2000-5000!!) http://www.vimeo.com/15894774

2. Even Less noise at all ISO settings: When I went to the Canon T2i, the amount of noise compared to my D90 was noticeable IMMEDIATELY. Again, let's cross our fingers and hope that they have opened up an even larger gap on everyone in this area.

3. Superior dynamic range: I've heard Nikon users talk about how they are not even bracketing to shoot HDR anymore. They just shoot one image in RAW and expose THE SAME IMAGE high/low/med and go from there. I KNOW that the color space in vid is going to be 4:2:0, so....it would be VERY SLIGHT....but let's cross our fingers and hope that we get a "smidge" more range from our 1080P footy on that wicked D7000 sensor.

UPDATE: Early results say YES! See it here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...your-fingers&p=2132751&viewfull=1#post2132751 Thanks for posting that!! :)
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4. Vitaliy Magic: MAN I hope this thing can be hacked by The Master! :)

Maybe you all can think of some more....but these are the ones that I've been thinking about/hoping for. We'll see what happens! Mad love to DVXUsers everywhere!
 
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Mud or not but the samples from Jarvis look pretty good with plenty of movement to boot. Again if the camera is not for you go buy something else. One thing for sure, my stills are going to look even better! Go Nikon.
 
4:2:0 is just the chroma subsampling, while often referred to as a color space it isn't really one and it has no effect on dynamic range. but yes the conversion from raw to video gamma does matter, fortunately there are custom curves to help us with that.
 
From what I've read it has full manual controls and 20 minute record time. Not sure if that is with 1080.
The video looks good to me too but will have to wait or more
 
around 21 MB/s. D90 used Mjpg tho so it´s not directly comparable + even tho bitrate is important, it´s also how you make use of it and not just the number.

Have to be honest tho, i would have been happier to see D7000 putting out 40 or 50MB/S. But quality looks good regardless and other DSLR´s have been hacked to improve the bitrate and the D7000 looks impressive enough to give me hope that it will get the same treatment.
 
When you're talking about a Long-GOP codec like H.264 the bitrate is not what matters necessarily. The HMC-150 shoots H.264 at 24Mbps and blows the Canons and even the hacked GH1 out of the water in terms of compression quality. This is because it has an excellent implementation of the codec that utilizes B-frames, P-frames, and I-frames in a very efficient GOP. The reason the Canons and GH13 need such a high bitrate to get halfway decent footage is because the codec implementation is so lousy...a higher bitrate means that the camera is being much less efficient, and also means you're going to get less time on your card, less time before you hit the 4GB limit (assuming your camera isn't using proper AVCHD that can bridge like the GH1 and HMC-150 do) and it means that you're going to need a faster card to avoid errors. If the D7000 has properly configured H.264 encoding (though I can't say it will surprise me if it doesn't) the bitrate is largely irrelevant. So, don't discount it now just because you read 24 Mbps on the web somewhere or saw some YouTube videos. Wait for the guys on the web that really know what they're doing to get in there and see what it's doing on an internal level, and wait to see codec stress tests side by side with the competing cameras.
 
There's no point trying to pixel peep and comment on a youtube compressed clip either. We need to see some H.264 files straight out of the D7000.

I still think Nikon dropped the ball pitching longer record times to soccer mums.

m-jpeg on the D90 is variable between 7-24Mbps. It averages around 15Mbps. 70Mbps+ m-jpeg footage from the GH13 I've seen is roughly comparable in quality to 40Mbps H.264 from the 5D. But like Ben says its not the bit-rate that necessarily matters or the codec when you're comparing the image quality of different cameras. There's a lot of other factors like the sensor, debayer, line skipping, pixel binning, de-noising, ISO performance, crop factor, etc...
 
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Well it is true iHart. Nikon is selling plenty of cameras and they are great camera. I have the D300s which is a awesome camera. I use it 99.9% for photography. Video is ok if you want to take the time to set it up, but I just use my DVX100b for video.

Hopefully the D7000 improves the video and it looks pretty good so far, but again if I buy one it will be to replace another camera. Go back a few years, compare the video to now and man things have gotten better. Its all good.
I get sick of reading bitrate this, crushed black that!!!

Does calling someone a Nikon fanboy on the Nikon thread help?

Well I'm grabbing my D300s and going to take some pictures of the harvest going on,,,maybe some video too. Later
 
I am happy for Nikon peeps. I have numerous friends who bought a Canon for video and have been struggling with adapters to use their Nikon lenses or given up and sold off their Nikon stuff to get Canon stuff. The D7000 is not perfect, but it's a huge step (for Nikon) in the right direction and to me (as a Canon person) fully justifies the Nikon peeps sticking with Nikon.

It's highly unlikely I will ever move to Nikon from Canon, but I want Nikon, and Sony, and Panasonic to keep coming out with better and better cameras that push the envelope (and Canon). Whenever any manufacturer comes out with something new and innovating it helps us all in the end, no matter what our perferences are.
 
Hi Guys! So....my purpose for starting this thread was: Nikon may feasibly bring "X" to the table with the D7000. Other cameras may not/do not do "X". "X" will add to my cinematic expressions....etc. I'm not crying or complaining, I'm just saying...that was my purpose in starting the thread.

Is there anything else that anyone can think of?

If not...that's cool. BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF ANOTHER ONE! ;)

6FPS still images for 100 consecutive shots.

Check out this link: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=222664

So (crazy thought I know but)...(4) D7000s shooting with 1 or 2 beam splitters will shoot 24FPS at 16mpixel resolution with (appx) 20 stops of dynamic range. 100 shots from 4 synched cameras = 400 frames = 16.5 seconds of footage. It would be a PAIN in post (to say the least), but you would have the HIGHEST IQ of ANY digital cinema camera on PLANET EARTH...for under 5000usd. :)

Fantasy for sure (for now)....but the D7000 has the *perfect* fps/cost ratio/buffer length to justify me even *posting* this fantasy. Gooooo Nikon! :)
 
syncing 4 cams & matching them exactly would be a pain.
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True. Post would be a pain too. I think the best thing to do I post would be to process wth the workflows that people are using to do the time lapse stuff. I think I'd add a step though....maybe go with the open source Adobe DNG RAW video path?

Anywho...it would all be a BIG PAIN...but if you could do it....it's IQ would DESTROY Alexa, Epic, and run neck and neck with 35mm film on EVERY level. Scary stuff. I'm totally NOT serious....but that's even more dangerous. :) Cause I'm still loose....soon as your serious, you lose your edge. :)

And yes...16 second bursts. For cinema stuff....not really a big deal....I VERY RARELY see more than that before a cut of some sort happens.
 
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