Does the lack of discussion of 60D mean anything much?

kawasakiguy37 said:
The problem with the 60D, while its pretty good for video, is that it isnt a good deal for PHOTOS. Which is what these cameras primarily are. It doesnt have AF fine tune, etc etc etc....its really worse than the 50D in my opinion. So I think most people either spring for a T2i (if theyre main concern is video) or a 7D (if they like both video and photo).

I mean....why put a high megapixel high noise sensor in a camera they are pushing the video on?
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If you like the sensor in the 7d, then you should like it fine in the 60d too, because from everything I've read they are identical sensors. The main difference is that the 7d has two sensors, allowing it to output to an HD monitor while shooting.

And why exactly isn't the 60d good for photos? Simply because it doesn't have the AF microtuning? Not sure I follow your logic.
 
i think he meant good "deal", as in, the best bang for your buck at 1k for photos exclusively, but obviously, the camera wasn't marketed as a photo camera only. flip screen, audio controls, it's plain to see Canon is pushing this as a video product as well. i don't get why people are getting so upset about it either.

anyways, i love the 60D so far. it's GREAT for photography. depends on what you do. I get a lot of family and kid portrait gigs, and a few weddings here and there. works for me.

do I go to the race track and take pictures of fast moving objects from a mile away?

err...no. but if you do...get the 7D?

anyways, it's all rabble. it's a great tool for an artist to work with, plain and simple and for 999.00, it's a deal to me. will it work for everyone? no. nothing will. there's always gonna be something on the horizon that tickles your tummy. will it work for a lot of people? damn straight it will.
 
I think the reason there is so little buzz is that it represents the end of the line in terms of a certain kind of technology. Basically, most people are waiting for improvements to the image issues and artifacts before re-investing. A flip out LCD isn't meaningful enough for most. Canon is going to have to come to the table soon with a response to a re-surging camcorder market. No new client base is going to remain loyal forever with re-packaged technology from 2 years ago.
 
yoclay said:
I think the reason there is so little buzz is that it represents the end of the line in terms of a certain kind of technology. Basically, most people are waiting for improvements to the image issues and artifacts before re-investing. A flip out LCD isn't meaningful enough for most. Canon is going to have to come to the table soon with a response to a re-surging camcorder market. No new client base is going to remain loyal forever with re-packaged technology from 2 years ago.
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So you want Canon to come to the "camcorder" table through their DSLR line? it's a camera first. Always has been, always will be in this form factor.

I still don't think the general population has a clue these cameras are being used for high-end productions. Nobody but us knows that House episodes were filmed on 5Ds. Canon is still marketing to "consumers" a camera first, camcorder 2nd. Articulating screen for photography is awesome. Love having it at my disposal now. More ISO options, even better. And the screen looks sharper than my macbook. For photography, unless you're shooting a nascar race, it's awesome.

And to top it all off, I get badass video too?

I guess I'm a half-full cup kinda guy...
 
I personally am strongly considering the 60D for even more reasons now.

For one - I probably already mentioned, but I didn't even realize how useful the swivel screen can be for even a bit of fun, if I'm not doing anything else with my camera, I like to sit down somewhere and find the funniest looking people I can snap a photo of, and a swivel screen makes this just a bit less obvious. But as soon as I started using the T2i, I even found out quickly in some situations how tough it is to use a set-in-stone screen for tough angles. I'd estimate this feature alone is worth $75 of the price tag.

Next - the camera's kit is a 18-135 3.5-5 IS lens, certainly worth a little more than the T2i's 18-55, almost double the zoom for half the price. I've always felt that the 55mm was a little constricting, and it's a shame because I personally find the IS kit lenses to be extremely useful and great in quality and build for any need. The 55-135 IS range would have given me a bit more to play with and learn from, and having IS with that is extremely useful for both stills and video. Plus, this new lens looks a bit more professional just as a body bonus. Although the price is added on, I feel like this makes up $150 of the price tag.

Third, the camera has manual audio. Now, I'm just getting into DSLR filmmaking, meaning I don't have a clue about manual audio, but I do know that examples on Youtube make the AGC seem ridiculous and wild, worse than auto-exposure for video. Something tells me that it truly isn't that extreme for real-world T2i productions, but I wouldn't want to be caught with my pants down in the situation I needed manual. After all, the 60D lets you choose between auto-audio and manual, so you have the best of both. At the very least, if you want to use seperate records to monitor them or for better sound, you can at least hook a mic up to your 60D for an extra track for backup or syncing purposes. I feel like this is worth only $50, as it's quite the rip-off that the previous cameras didn't have this.

Fourth, and the more minor details, it has a built in level, the extensive ISO settings, temperature white balances, new art filters, faster burst rate, ect ect, and I say these changes add a good worth of $100 to the mix.

Fifth - You have 18Mp photographs, same as always, with a good 5 photo burst speed. The technology for having picture styles, white balance, and ISO is somewhat complex, but standard for any camera. Then you have 1080P video, with selective frame rates for the professionals and all of the technologies that apply to the photographs. Sadly, these videos are a quality of 720P at most, and have horrible aliasing and jello, so it's all pretty jaded there. With all this, you have about $300 in worth - you can quite easily find a $200 camcorder that does about all that.

Sixth - The camera has a bit heavier and more professional looking body than the T2i, although it seems the 7D may still be the only choice for anyone who gets in dirty, weathered situations. The layout also seems improved, I personally can't stand using the wheel anymore, it hurts my fingers, so if there's dedicated buttons for shutter, ISO, and aperture, I'll go ahead and give this body a worth of $200.

About a $800 camera in my opinion, not shabby for the literally dozens of overpriced, un-upgradeable craps we've been force-fed. For the heck of it, I'll give this camera an extra $100 in worth just for existing and for the fact that it probably is a bit more expensive to make than I'm letting on (not for the company, but for relative pricing.) Oh and heck, I'll throw in another $50 for the actually good software and manuals that come with these cameras, the strap, and all that.

So is the 60D finally the camera that is worth the prices we pay? I honestly believe it's a bit more full for the price, which is even a good feeling for inspiration; people simply don't love their gear in the same way if they feel ripped off. Thing is, all of this above could be done with the T2i if there was a good update, heck, Canon could even charge money for their camera updates and it'd be fine with me, I'd rather promote environment care than buying a new body every single time, which obviously wastes billions of materials on this planet down the line, and also wastes money for the company. Canon should have come out with one exact camera ages ago that could be updated for years and years, not make a body every 6 months that has two new features....so maybe the 60D will finally be just that.
 
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In short: the 60d is fantastic. My advice, just get one, or go shoot with one and see for yourself. It's really a beautiful bit of gear.
 
I just got it. It's great. I love it. It's different from my HVX-200 and DVX-100B and they all do different things well. Thank you to everybody for your comments.

I will report more when I've used it more.

I really like the articulating LCD screen. With the Panasonic cameras mentioned, I use those LCDs 99% of the time. Maybe other people use the EVFs more but if you're used to using the LCDs on them, then on a DSLR camera like this I think that you would regret not having an LCD and even if you have a small monitor, like the Marshall 5" , the swivel LCD may be more useful for most basic handheld operating.
 
Finally got my 60D through the Canon discount program (890 bucks for Canon retailers). I have to say that even with pretty high expectations I was impressed with the build. It definitely has a good amount of heft so it doesn't feel like a toy (like the T2i). The extra weight helps a bit keeping the camera steady too. I was worried the swivel screen was going to be a bit flimsy but the joint is rock solid. I'm sure I can break it if I try hard enough but it doesn't feel wobbly or in any danger of wearing out soon.

Video on this thing is a joy; the additional 1/3 stop ISO's are a godsend. I can't believe the Rebel's don't have them. The level is a decent touch and the other controls are good but mostly unchanged. I am missing a dedicated white balance button (I have the SET button remapped to it now).

Coming from the T2i this is a great upgrade at a good price point too. It may not be what the old 50D owners wanted but it's certainly well suited to it's position in Canon's lineup.
 
Snapper123 said:
As cameras and economy is, I think everyone's pressured to get the most out of their equipment for the buck.
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That's the truth. The 550D has been a dependably money maker as a b-cam and has reduced my EX3 rental by half already. I'd like to get a 60D today, but will probably milk this camera for all I can first.
 
casualtimmy said:
it's a camera first. Always has been, always will be in this form factor.
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All depends on what you mount it to. With an EX3 and a 550D on a shoot I find myself grabbing the 550D more all the time. The Sony is starting to seem to have the clunky form factor now. Just waiting for the DSLR to have a wee bit better resolution on the next generation of cameras, and they will be the only form factor for me in the future.
 
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I've been considering the 60D for quite some time now. I really like its features and compared to my ol' DVX100A I can definately use the upgrade for HD. My thing is that the GH2 is gonna be comign out any day now and Im somewhat stuck between the two. The GH2's silent fast autofocus during video is tempting especially since I want to do some steadicam work. The aliasing of the 60D is sort of turning me away as well. The 60D has a more impressive mix of lenses however (without needing adapters i mean bcuz the GH2 can use almost any lens with an adapter). So what do you all say? 60D or GH2?
 
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