C100: Does anyone use the 24-70 II?

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draculr

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I am trying to find some sample footage/user opinions of the 24-70 2.8 II for use with the C100/C300. Is the IQ a big step up for this sensor compared to a 17-55 f2.8 IS, 24-105 f4 IS or Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC? It will mostly be for use on a tripod/slider so in this case I am not too concerned about IS, but i'm just wondering if it's worth laying down so much $$$ for it. It would act as a 24L, 50L and almost 85L replacement and if you look at it like that it's easier to stomach the cost.

Is it good enough to consider it as a replacement for the holy trinity of primes for video use (seeing as though I rarely ever drop under 2.8 for video anyway)? Or is it just not worth the extra expense over one of the other lenses?

I don't hear of many people using this lens for these cameras though.
 
draculr said:
I am trying to find some sample footage/user opinions of the 24-70 2.8 II for use with the C100/C300. Is the IQ a big step up for this sensor compared to a 17-55 f2.8 IS, 24-105 f4 IS or Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC? It will mostly be for use on a tripod/slider so in this case I am not too concerned about IS, but i'm just wondering if it's worth laying down so much $$$ for it. It would act as a 24L, 50L and almost 85L replacement and if you look at it like that it's easier to stomach the cost.

Is it good enough to consider it as a replacement for the holy trinity of primes for video use (seeing as though I rarely ever drop under 2.8 for video anyway)? Or is it just not worth the extra expense over one of the other lenses?

I don't hear of many people using this lens for these cameras though.
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It has more breathing than the I but has less barrel distortion at 24mm. Give and take its not better
 
no.just dont buy it. I dont think you need this lens if its on tripod. you can go for some nice Rokinon or Samyang Cine lens with T .

there are plenty of reasons why you need this :

first, it is cine lens with almost 360 degree of focus, which is longer than photo lens, easier to pull focus .

second, it is T , not F, so you dont have to worry about changing light setup when you change lens

three, if you consider Video as your job and future, you should start touching some real cine lens

four, C100/300/500 has 4k sensor which gives them ability to beat DSLRs miles, so using Rokinon and Samyang cine lens isnt hurting so much (consider Samyang vs Zeiss, almost 1/10 of the price but its not 1/10 quality! for me its only 30% difference)

five, consider youve already bought C100, I suggest you stop touching photo lenses asap

six, they are cheap. yeah, a set of 5 costs you no more than 3k.


I have a question, why are you leaving primes? aperture isnt a big deal, I know for C100, you dont really need anything higher than F4. but consider this, 24mm has more distortion on the zoom than the prime. distortion is a pain for cinema.

For me, zooms are aimed for its versatility, so if im buying a 24-70, id rather go for IS, just in case if I need to use it sometime in the future, this is a lot worthy than 2.8 to me.
 
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Shawnvfx said:
no.just dont buy it. I dont think you need this lens if its on tripod. you can go for some nice Rokinon or Samyang Cine lens with T .

there are plenty of reasons why you need this :

first, it is cine lens with almost 360 degree of focus, which is longer than photo lens, easier to pull focus .

second, it is T , not F, so you dont have to worry about changing light setup when you change lens

three, if you consider Video as your job and future, you should start touching some real cine lens

four, C100/300/500 has 4k sensor which gives them ability to beat DSLRs miles, so using Rokinon and Samyang cine lens isnt hurting so much (consider Samyang vs Zeiss, almost 1/10 of the price but its not 1/10 quality! for me its only 30% difference)

five, consider youve already bought C100, I suggest you stop touching photo lenses asap

six, they are cheap. yeah, a set of 5 costs you no more than 3k.


I have a question, why are you leaving primes? aperture isnt a big deal, I know for C100, you dont really need anything higher than F4. but consider this, 24mm has more distortion on the zoom than the prime. distortion is a pain for cinema.

For me, zooms are aimed for its versatility, so if im buying a 24-70, id rather go for IS, just in case if I need to use it sometime in the future, this is a lot worthy than 2.8 to me.
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Thanks for the reply.

I actually already have the Samyang 35mm and 85mm cine versions which I quite like and will probably pick up the 14mm cine to fill my wide angle requirements too (hence I am not interested in the 17-55mm). I did purchase the 24-70mm f4 IS very recently however and it already has been quite handy for me. I did recently get a good tripod and slider however and they are quickly becoming my standard stabilisation gear. I much prefer the stable look that gives me and having some zoom range allows me some extra flexibility while using the tripod.

Since I am using the tripod so much however, I have been thinking of returning the 24-70 f4 IS (which I can still do) and paying that little bit extra for the 2.8 II for the extra stop (and potentially better IQ). Since I don't drop below 2.8 very often I don't see when I'd ever switch to the (non-14mm) Samyang lenses anymore, I'd probably end up packing the 14mm Samyang Cine, the 24-70 2.8 II and maybe I'd get a 100mm macro to get some reach and macro capabilities.

So that is my dilemma: keep the 24-70 f4 IS or switch to the 24-70 f2.8 II while I still can exchange it.
 
Shawnvfx makes some great points about using Cine lenses, but photo zooms do give you great flexibility.

It obviously comes down to the kind of work you are doing. If you working in environments that allow you to frame your shots and you will always have room then the Cine primes are great. However, if you are going to find yourself in situations where you will have to frame up quickly.. A zoom lens can be invaluable.


Have you considered the 18-135 STM lens.. It's cheap and very flexible. Mthomas has a nice write up on the C100 and the 18-135 on Planet5D forums.. It could fit your needs and it won't break the bank.
 
draculr said:
Thanks for the reply.

I actually already have the Samyang 35mm and 85mm cine versions which I quite like and will probably pick up the 14mm cine to fill my wide angle requirements too (hence I am not interested in the 17-55mm). I did purchase the 24-70mm f4 IS very recently however and it already has been quite handy for me. I did recently get a good tripod and slider however and they are quickly becoming my standard stabilisation gear. I much prefer the stable look that gives me and having some zoom range allows me some extra flexibility while using the tripod.

Since I am using the tripod so much however, I have been thinking of returning the 24-70 f4 IS (which I can still do) and paying that little bit extra for the 2.8 II for the extra stop (and potentially better IQ). Since I don't drop below 2.8 very often I don't see when I'd ever switch to the (non-14mm) Samyang lenses anymore, I'd probably end up packing the 14mm Samyang Cine, the 24-70 2.8 II and maybe I'd get a 100mm macro to get some reach and macro capabilities.

So that is my dilemma: keep the 24-70 f4 IS or switch to the 24-70 f2.8 II while I still can exchange it.
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Again, in my pov, if you really need a zoom and you only work on video works, stay with what you have. But if you do photos a lot as well, then you can start consider 2.8 only if you are so picky on the edges. for Video, its 1080p, no difference at all for 2.8 and 4. you cant really tell. Even now I cant really tell a big difference between the footage of 5D3 + 50 1.2 and C100 + 50 1.2 if you dont compare them side by side.

If I get $ 1500- 2500 to spend on lens, Id either go for a really useful zoom, like a 24-70 IS (this is real stablization, not a ancient one like 24-105), and a 100mm IS (this is real stablization as well for 900 you cant get any better than this, regardless of its noisy sound)

OR, Im gonna go for a complete set of cheap samyang lens (I have the samyang 14mm one, the only downside for me is: without a follow focus, my figer hurts when pulling the focus lol , but the image quality is good tho)

Personally, I have C100 and some Canon L primes 24mm L ii, 50 1.2 L, 85L 1.2 II, and 100MM IS L. and a samyang 14mm.

If I have the money and do it all over, i would go for a complete set of samyang, but Now I have to tell myself that these L primes can do Photos, otherwise Id be crying.

anyways, the only downside for me is I do lots of run n gun works, with my primes, yeah, I quote from stillmotion " the only advantage of using primes for run n gun is that it forces me to be present ". This is the only excuse for me to keep my primes, without this excuse Id be crying.

But its always better to have primes for tripod works, why ? it helps you and forces you to think about your composition and framing.


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So to sum up all of my complains,

run n gun for living ? stay with what you have

tripod/steadicam/dolly/slider/ only? go for some Cine primes and think about your framing, thats good for you

24-70 2.8 is for photographers, not for you. think about why canon have 2 versions of 24-70 ? cuz they are aimed for different markets

if you want them all, go for Tamron 24-70 2.8 IS. its cheap, just 1300. Image quality ? Cant tell difference on a 1080p movie
 
I don't really know about these comments, if you are a single operator you don't want a lens with a 360 degree focal ring, you wont be able to pull your own focus while operating especially as a run and gunner.

The c100 was designed for photo glass with the non-changable permanent ef mount. It doesn't make sense to tell people to get off photo glass because they bought a c100.

Samyangs are not a transition from photo lenses to cine lenses. A .8 pitch ring isn't the difference. The barrel distortion, chromatic aberration, and poor focus fall off will still be there.
 
Exactly, if you shoot with a C300 and want to go with primes and use an AC, just rent a set of Zeiss CP2's and be done with it. If you are a single operator on a C100 then the Canon zooms make a lot of sense.

The Rokinon/Samyang's are a compromise for use by students and independents that dont have the money and still want to use that methodology. I have never run across this approach on a professional set. They always have Canon L glass or they rent real Cine glass.

I think the Rokinon approach is great for people getting started in this profession, but these are not real Cine lenses.
 
The 4 lenses that we've sold the most for the C300/100 are:
1) 16-35mm
2) 24-70mm I or II
3) 70-200mm I & II
4) 24-105mm (favored for run-n-gun reality for the extra range)
The Cine prime set is getting more & more traction here in town (we're selling more lately) and the Cine zooms are showing up at more rental houses (The Camera House, VER)

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
 
I actually like the lens quite a bit. Behind the 24-105mm F4.0L it's probably my second most used lens. I haven't done any scientific tests, but I find the image to be sharp most of the way through the focal range and the quality of the glass and lens housing is superior. I guess it really comes down to what you're shooting, but I'd recommend the lens in most situations.
 
Some good opinions here.

I ended up swapping the 24-70 f4 IS with a tamron 24-70 2.8 VC. Unlike the previous two samples I tried the VC on this seems right up there with the best of them and does not seem to warp the image either. I mustve tried a couple of duds earlier as the VC didn't seem so great. I can actually handhold the C100 with this lens and get a decently steady image out of it. This should suit my zoomy/IS purposes and stopping down to 2.8 is much nicer than f4 (also saving $250 over the 24-70 IS was nice).

I may also add a Zeiss ZE 35/2 to my lens arsenal and keep the 85mm Samyang around. I would love to one day get the Zeiss ZE 15mm too but at the moment the price is VERY prohibitive.
 
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Jim Martin said:
The 4 lenses that we've sold the most for the C300/100 are:
1) 16-35mm
2) 24-70mm I or II
3) 70-200mm I & II
4) 24-105mm (favored for run-n-gun reality for the extra range)
The Cine prime set is getting more & more traction here in town (we're selling more lately) and the Cine zooms are showing up at more rental houses (The Camera House, VER)

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
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I completely agree with Jim, for me personally and my very small rental division, he's spot on!
 
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