Do you format the card after every dump?

This line from the story left me scratching my head:

"The film was shot in 1080i/25P (being a Europe based production) and in the HQ (high quality) recording format."

How can it be "1080i" and "25P" at the same time?
 
Its 1080 25p recorded in a 1080 50i stream.

I format cards at the dump only because I use p2 Genie and it has the option to auto format after it verfies the dump was a success.
 
Jeff Anderson said:
Its 1080 25p recorded in a 1080 50i stream.

I format cards at the dump only because I use p2 Genie and it has the option to auto format after it verfies the dump was a success.
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Speaking for myself..... I would never set anything to "Auto Erase" anything. Just sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

In Video and stills..... I like to walk way from the job with the files on two drives and still on the cards.

If your on a paid job..... And you don't have enough Memory Cards...... Meaning you have to stop shooting to download..... Very Amaturish!

frisco
 
frisco said:
Speaking for myself..... I would never set anything to "Auto Erase" anything. Just sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

In Video and stills..... I like to walk way from the job with the files on two drives and still on the cards.

If your on a paid job..... And you don't have enough Memory Cards...... Meaning you have to stop shooting to download..... Very Amaturish!

frisco
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thats how you I believe most of us shoot with p2. Shoot, dump, swap in the next card. Now not everyone uses auto erase but seeing as how the computer copies to two drives for me, and verifies against both drives before it does so and its done so several thousand times without a problem. Dont exactly appreciate the amateur comment either.
 
Jeff Anderson said:
thats how you I believe most of us shoot with p2. Shoot, dump, swap in the next card. Now not everyone uses auto erase but seeing as how the computer copies to two drives for me, and verifies against both drives before it does so and its done so several thousand times without a problem. Dont exactly appreciate the amateur comment either.
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So....... Tell me how professional it is to "Stop" shooting so you can download and clear cards when your crew and talent are just standing around? Not only wasting money on labor sitting around cause you wern't prepairded. But the worse part is you may have interupted the creative flow.

I'm glad "Auto Erase" works for you...... I just wouldn't do it. I have a rule that nothing gets thrown away until the client is happy and I have the check in my hand. Sometimes there is great content/sound bites in botched scenes. Never erase botched scenes till you really know it's garbage.

frisco
 
Frisco,

Many of us professionals have someone whose sole job it is to handle the data and make sure it's copied and verified before wiping the cards.

That's how I work. The "creative flow" is never interrupted. And whereas I don't generally "botch scenes," I keep everything that's shot even after the project is done.
 
frisco said:
So....... Tell me how professional it is to "Stop" shooting so you can download and clear cards when your crew and talent are just standing around? Not only wasting money on labor sitting around cause you wern't prepairded. But the worse part is you may have interupted the creative flow.

I'm glad "Auto Erase" works for you...... I just wouldn't do it. I have a rule that nothing gets thrown away until the client is happy and I have the check in my hand. Sometimes there is great content/sound bites in botched scenes. Never erase botched scenes till you really know it's garbage.

frisco
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Let me clear something up as I made a slight error in my earlier posting. Didnt realize this was a xdcam thread. I'm shooting p2 so my verification and actual dumping workflow would be slightly different.

But yes I'd still be dumping at the shoot. A paid professional shoot. Pretty standard for a full day's shoot with solid state media. Its not like I stop takes just to swap cards. In between takes cards get swapped and dumped. No bad takes are erased and everything ends up in two places for safety. I'm pretty sure my clients also appreciate the hour or two it would take to dump a full day of shooting not being billed in post and being done during production. So do you actually keep the solid state media around throughout post? Seems like it would get rather costly to keep an entire set of cards hostage when they could be out shooting. To each his own.

And please correct me if I'm totally wrong here xdcam guys - am I totally missing something about xdcam and you dont ever dump at a shoot?
 
Well..... For the sake of disscussion.... With the new electronic medium, everything is pretty much a work in progress and there is no one set workflow. Also everyone works within different budgets and fee structures.

- My cards don't get cleared till they get downloaded to a workstation.

- I don't work with unlimited budgets..... But having enough memory cards on a job without having to clear them is cheap.

- I have a fee for preparing files for post.

- Yes, backing up cards to drives and checking files during the day does happen.... Usually by a digital tech without any interuption to the flow.

frisco


Jeff Anderson said:
Let me clear something up as I made a slight error in my earlier posting. Didnt realize this was a xdcam thread. I'm shooting p2 so my verification and actual dumping workflow would be slightly different.

But yes I'd still be dumping at the shoot. A paid professional shoot. Pretty standard for a full day's shoot with solid state media. Its not like I stop takes just to swap cards. In between takes cards get swapped and dumped. No bad takes are erased and everything ends up in two places for safety. I'm pretty sure my clients also appreciate the hour or two it would take to dump a full day of shooting not being billed in post and being done during production. So do you actually keep the solid state media around throughout post? Seems like it would get rather costly to keep an entire set of cards hostage when they could be out shooting. To each his own.

And please correct me if I'm totally wrong here xdcam guys - am I totally missing something about xdcam and you dont ever dump at a shoot?
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During a day of shooting a movie I will rarely need to go past card capacity (approx. 75 minutes, but my 8GB rebate card is on its way, LOL).

Now if I am on event shoot then yes I will offload footage to a laptop's hard drive and an external hard drive using the laptops Express Card slot. It only takes a minute to setup the transfer to the one laptop and then once it's finished (I keep the laptop nearby if possible) the card will then be removed and the laptop hard drive data is then transferred to the external drive. Whatever is shot at the end of the day will just be offloaded onto the laptop and the second copy will remain on the card until I get back home and can transfer the card(s) to the external drive.

Why do you think Sony made the EX1 slots hot swappable if the cards weren't intended to be taken out while recording? There's nothing amateurish about offloading and as a matter of fact I think it's safer to have copies of data on two different drives then to just have it on one card that "could" become corrupted.
 
adamr316 said:
During a day of shooting a movie I will rarely need to go past card capacity (approx. 75 minutes, but my 8GB rebate card is on its way, LOL).

Now if I am on event shoot then yes I will offload footage to a laptop's hard drive and an external hard drive using the laptops Express Card slot. It only takes a minute to setup the transfer to the one laptop and then once it's finished (I keep the laptop nearby if possible) the card will then be removed and the laptop hard drive data is then transferred to the external drive. Whatever is shot at the end of the day will just be offloaded onto the laptop and the second copy will remain on the card until I get back home and can transfer the card(s) to the external drive.

Why do you think Sony made the EX1 slots hot swappable if the cards weren't intended to be taken out while recording? There's nothing amateurish about offloading and as a matter of fact I think it's safer to have copies of data on two different drives then to just have it on one card that "could" become corrupted.
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You sound like you have your system down, and it works for you. Very Cool

If you read my post again you will see that that my data is backed up on 2 seperate drives as well as left on the cards.
You are very correct that a card can become corrupted (It's happened to me). It is more likely that a hard drive will fail for any number of reasons.
My intention is to get my data directly from the cards to the Computer that is going to process the work. I try not to put a copy of a copy of a copy into the edit machine. Maybe to paranoid...... But some of my projects get so expensive that I couldn't afford to pay for a reshoot.

frisco
 
p2 shotput (windows) vs p2 genie.....

Any comparisons?

Genie is cheaper...

Are they the rough equivelent of each other?
 
tonykart125 said:
was wondering how you guys empty your card to shoot again... I been formating every time. What y'all do?
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I had been formatting cards each time. Then I switched to delete all clips, but recently I've been experimenting with just deleting the BPAV folder from the laptop and returning the card to the camera.

It mounts and records with no formating or "recovery" necessary and I've been able to record continuously with this technique. I haven't used this on an actual shoot yet but it seems to work.

I need to try it again shooting a timecode clock or something similar to make sure there is no loss of frames at the card switch.
 
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