C100: Do you clipwrap? or keep original mts and folder structure?

Darren Levine

Darren Levine

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So this will mark the first feature i'm editing with C100 avc files, and i'd like to see if there are any notes on advantages/differences anyone has noticed editing long form projects on the original mts files, vs clipwrapping them.

To date, i haven't noticed any issues with any of the short projects i've done, all using the original folder structure/files of the c100. I know some have had issues, thankfully i have not. But again, i have yet to try it with large projects.

As i understand it, clipwrap primary solves the issue of an edit program not supporting mts, but other than that, seeing that premiere handles them natively, are there any other advantages?

If people see no difference, then i'll likely keep my current file organization, which is to say, each day of shooting is a folder of the full file structure. And considering the annoyingness of each folder starting at file 0000, i was planning on leaving the folders alone and do clip logging/organizing/renaming within premiere only. Am i correct in understanding that the file import utility for the c100 only works when transferring from the camera? or can you drop in the folder structure from a drive and have it do sequential naming of several folder structures? i would fiddle with it myself, but the cd has gone somewhere....

Aside from keeping whatever metadata there is in the folder structure (and by the way did canon EVER give us a way to access that clipinfo metadata???) are there any practical reasons to keep the folder structure as opposed to dumping all the mts files into a master folder? in the past i've been obsessive about maintaining the folder structures, or at least keeping the individual folder structures even after dumping mts files into a master folder, just in case, but i have yet to actually ever need those precious files/folders from any of those legacy projects.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions, knowledge, experience, rants, all welcome and appreciated.

cheers,
 
I am *so* over ClipWrap for the C100. I got recurring problems in FCPX with ClipWrap clips that 'went bad', bogging the system down - mostly wrapped but also transcoded clips. I ended up just starting all over again and importing directly into FCPX. That's worked faultlessly, so it's how I do all the corporate work.

But for MY own work, I still like 5DtoRGB.

I don't archive the basic AVCHD file structures - the metadata would be nice, but the NLEs STILL don't read it. The file naming schema of AVCHD doesn't make for good archiving anyway. I archive the converted clips (as I ingest everything by default). I do keep the original rushes on their cards until the job is archived, and they often remain unerased until the next job is archived.

I know this is FCPX rather than Premiere - and it's corporate rather than narrative - but still, no archiving AVCHD MTS files (no point), no use of ClipWrap (doesn't seem to like C100) and 5DtoRGB still rocks.
 
Thanks matt, i looked into 5dtorgb in the past, but ruled it out for numerous reasons, if we do use it for this project, it would be after picture cut is done, the added workflow wouldn't be beneficially until then
 
I always just drag the PRIVATE folder into a unique folder for editing. I do any custom labeling in Premiere. No problems so far.
 
My background is long form docs, but my main work at the mo is short form stuff - but I still regularly pull in clips from shoots over the past couple of years. I've been around the houses trying to find an easy way and have settled on using FCPX purely as an ingest tool. It very conveniently renames the original MTS with a unique date and time stamp (not hexadecimal, so human readable) and you can then have either MTS or Prores with same UID. It's working a treat for me and clips can go offline and then pulled in from the archive and it all conforms perfectly. Bit overkill if you don't own FCPX, but a great use for it if you made the mistake, like me, of buying it in the first place.

Ben.
 
FWIW, I pull out the MTS files from the Stream dir from the card into the appropriate client folder, Batch rename the files to something relevant, then edit.

Initially I thought keeping the original folder structure was going to be ideal, but then I never use anything other than the MTS files. So I have no need for whatever the other files may contain. This is how I used to operate when I was in the DSLR world and its worked well for me. Hope this helps you.
 
basically, it comes down to two things: metadata, and compatibility. if something else is at play, that's what i'm looking for knowledge on.

the metadata might be a wash, because yes, there's supposedly great shot data in there, but no flippin way to view it.

it's already compatible, and if we choose to 5dtorgb it or otherwise go intermediate, that won't be till after picture cut and doesn't have much bearing on the decision to keep the original folder structure.

it seems many agree that just taking the mts files and renaming them and going from there makes sense, considering the lack of hope that metadata will ever be readable.

if i were to go the route of leaving the structure, and modifying names in premiere, the main drawback would be referencing the files to each other, you have to click and reveal each on in it's folder., but then again, not a huge deal.

i'm talking myself in circles, somebody slap me
 
Stitching is the only reason I have for importing the PRIVATE folder via Media Browser. When I import the MTS files directly, there's a glitch at every stitch.
 
I have both Clipwrap and 5DtoRGB,

I use clipwrap if need to stitch long files together and to quickly make dailies.

But If I don't need to stitch long files back together than I use 5DtoRGB because I think it does a better job.
 
Darren Levine said:
considering the lack of hope that metadata will ever be readable.
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If metadata falls in the forest and nobody can read it... is it really data? :happy:

i'm talking myself in circles, somebody slap me
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:nads: Sorry, best I can do...

I keep folder structure (Premiere) FWIW.

Nice grabs, Darren. Looks like you and the C100 do noir well. Wide DR?
 
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