Mitch Gross
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Can't speak for Adobe but we're hoping it will be quite soon.
DNG issues - FS700 and BMC
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Mitch Gross
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We now have information available on our website for posting FS700 RAW footage with the Odyssey7Q. Thi includes import settings and applied LUTs.
http://www.convergent-design.com/Products/Odyssey7Q/Sony.aspx
http://www.convergent-design.com/Products/Odyssey7Q/Sony.aspx
cuervo
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As a couple of side notes...
1-when I set the WB to "As shot", per the described workflow, Resolve Lite v10 won't keep this setting and reverts to "Custom". However, this doesn't seem to affect the decoding, as it still looks right.
2-Selecting BMD Film results in a green tint to the image. Selecting Rec709 produces the correctly tinted image.
3-GoPro Studio (Cineform) is also decoding the Sony RAW files in that ghoulishly green tint.
1-when I set the WB to "As shot", per the described workflow, Resolve Lite v10 won't keep this setting and reverts to "Custom". However, this doesn't seem to affect the decoding, as it still looks right.
2-Selecting BMD Film results in a green tint to the image. Selecting Rec709 produces the correctly tinted image.
3-GoPro Studio (Cineform) is also decoding the Sony RAW files in that ghoulishly green tint.
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Hi Mitch or those in the know,
Can the current 7Q + FS700 record 8-bit 4:2:2 from the camera? Or is 2K RAW the only option right now?
I'm asking because since I cannot work with 2K RAW because of my old computer, 8-bit 4:2:2 is the only option for me until Adobe fixes the DNG color issues.
Can the current 7Q + FS700 record 8-bit 4:2:2 from the camera? Or is 2K RAW the only option right now?
I'm asking because since I cannot work with 2K RAW because of my old computer, 8-bit 4:2:2 is the only option for me until Adobe fixes the DNG color issues.
paulcurtis
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Hey Gene,
Pretty sure it can by default, without any software licenses
cheers
Paul
Pretty sure it can by default, without any software licenses
cheers
Paul
cuervo
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Uncompressed 4:4:4 RGB HD video recording. Record HD video in 10-bit DPX files. Popular
compressed codecs will be available at a later date via free firmware update
olof
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The 7Q can record the 8 bit 422 1080 from the 700 w/o any additional license fee.
It is recorded as a DPX set of files (actually 444 10 bit), like DNG's they have to be converted to be easier to work with. The down side is a 256GB SSD only holds 16min of 30p recording, so the files are huge.
Compressor can convert these easily and there is no color shift or gamma to worry about, the image looks just like the internal, but is a basically a 422 8 bit image, very much like the NanoFlash quality.
It is recorded as a DPX set of files (actually 444 10 bit), like DNG's they have to be converted to be easier to work with. The down side is a 256GB SSD only holds 16min of 30p recording, so the files are huge.
Compressor can convert these easily and there is no color shift or gamma to worry about, the image looks just like the internal, but is a basically a 422 8 bit image, very much like the NanoFlash quality.
Got it. So basically what you guys are saying is that like the Sony HXF to R5 recorder, DPX technically fulfills a need on paper but it's so large that nobody in their right mind would use it in real life. :cheesy:
Well, Mitch, now I really have to say please release a compressed codec ASAP. I have another round of pretty big shoots for HGTV coming up in EARLY December, any chance a compressed codec would come out by then? I talked to the director yesterday, and he didn't seem too keen on 2K RAW files sizes, so we are hoping for a compressed codec solution.
God Speed Mitch.... God Speed.
The Trashcan is due for release in December- a good time to upgrade old hardware.
Well, that would be great except I'm going to spend about $4K total on the 7Q and I've already spent about $12K on other camera / electronic equipment this year. So yeah... money doesn't exactly grow on trees.
Ted Herod
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Resolve reads the "As Shot" WB initially, and then moves it over to Custom, but retains the number.
While I've got my 7Q, I'm still waiting on my SSDs, so meanwhile I have been working with the sample CD has put up.
I have begun by following their Resolve instructions. Using their provided LUT for S-LOG, it didn't take much finessing to get their sample shot into an S-LOG ProRes HQ format. Were you using CD's Rec.709 LUT or a different one? Both provided seem to work well.
Since my end workflow will be Adobe, I've just ported that ProRes into Speed Grade to reach this end result:
Everything "works," yet there are two current downsides: The extra step of Resolve adding time, and if you're using Resolve Lite, you've got to take a 2K -> 1080 Downsize. Obviously it will be much better when Adobe is working directly with the DNGs, but for now it is workable, albeit slow and clunky.
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cuervo
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Ted,
Thanx. I've figured out that it helps to have the CinemaDNG defaults preset in the Project settings menu, first. Yeah, I'm using Resolve 10 Lite. The CD LUTS are another layer, entirely. So, the basic workflow I'm using is as follows:
Node 1-Apply the CinemaDNG settings and Autocorrect
Node 2-Apply CD LUT(optional)
Node 3-adjust CC to taste
Node 4-Apply Neatvideo Denoise
Yes, there's some question as to applying the autocorrect before the LUT. I'm finding that I'd rather not use the CD LUTS.
Thanx. I've figured out that it helps to have the CinemaDNG defaults preset in the Project settings menu, first. Yeah, I'm using Resolve 10 Lite. The CD LUTS are another layer, entirely. So, the basic workflow I'm using is as follows:
Node 1-Apply the CinemaDNG settings and Autocorrect
Node 2-Apply CD LUT(optional)
Node 3-adjust CC to taste
Node 4-Apply Neatvideo Denoise
Yes, there's some question as to applying the autocorrect before the LUT. I'm finding that I'd rather not use the CD LUTS.
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Ted Herod
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Interesting... are you noticing anything in particular that you don't like about the CD LUTs? I haven't used the Rec709, only the SLOG. My goal is essentially to get out of Resolve as soon as possible, given that my end workflow will be only Adobe. CD's SLog in conjunction with a basic exposure/WB adjustment seems to be the quickest way to move it into a malleable form for Adobe.
cuervo
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Not in particular. As you can see, I'm building quite a layer of correction nodes. So, I ask, why use CD's LUT to start with, then grade from there when I can go straight to my grade and do just as well?
How would you guys do a BATCH CONVERSION on a series of RAW clips? Does Resolve do a batch convert? Seems like it would be really tedious if you have to run each RAW clip through Resolve individually and export individually.
What's your workflow for dealing with a lot of RAW clips that need to be converted to Quicktime .mov?
What's your workflow for dealing with a lot of RAW clips that need to be converted to Quicktime .mov?
olof
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I do my settings in project setup of resolve.
Then add all the clips (folders of ENG's).
Then create a new timeline in edit.
Then select all the clips and drag them to the TL.
Then go to color select all the clips.
Then do the auto color (option-A on a Mac) or click the small A in the lower left corner in resolve. This makes your clips really close ready for export.
Then in the render part of Resolve select all the clips and set up a render folder and make each clip a separate file as ProResHQ or whatever, then render and it will do them as a batch.
I may do a video showing these steps. When I get a chance, it really is pretty quick and works as a batch processor. It even can retain clip names.
Stillinsane
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Any news regarding Adobe and Fs700 DNGs? There´s a new Version of Camera Raw out (8.3) did anybody had luck with that? Also is it maybe possible to trick Camera Raw into thinking it´s a Raw File of a supported Nex Camera with a similiar Raw output so we could simply batch convert DNG to a supported DNG till Adobe finally supports Fs700 Raw?
Ted Herod
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Fair enough, definitely makes sense since you're staying in Resolve longer for grading. I was just making sure you didn't notice something wrong with it, as I'm going to continue to use my method in order to get it out of Resolve and into my Adobe workflow more immediately.