DIY micro35 kit (New Footage!)

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Nick Milo posted:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Redrock,
The footage looks amazing.
The close-up of the little girl looked real good. You should Post a vid once you get the new diopters set up. I'm not an optics master, but I though the rotating glass looked just fine.

...Hey Bill, what do you think?

Assuming I am the Bill in question: Clearly the shallow depth of field is acheived. Whether the quality is sufficient, I cannot tell from what I see on my computer screen.

As I said previously (probably earlier in this thread), my OPINION is that a simple form such as this, with and upside down image that you deal with in post has the best chance of decent quality at relatively low cost.

I do think that the longer focal length lenses used for the demo are not necessarily what one would use in telling a story , except for a special shot. I also believe and have said before that shooting video to look like film, is different than shooting video to transfer to film. I would be concerned about giving up image quality (resolution and contrast) in exchange for shallow DOF if I knew the end product was a 35mm release print.

These are my opinions based on experience and interaction with those who have done MiniDV to film transfers and tests, but hopefully some will comment. I think that when this device is available for testing under real world conditions to do real narrative work, then you will know more. I am sure there are many on this board qualified to put it thru its paces.

Bill Turner
Century Division
Schneider Optics
 
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[quote author=Bill__Turner link=board=Links;num=1097454631;start=75#80 date=12/02/04 at 16:56:03]I also believe and have said before that shooting video to look like film, is different than shooting video to transfer to film. I would be concerned about giving up image quality (resolution and contrast) in exchange for shallow DOF if I knew the end product was a 35mm release print.[/quote]

That's a very good point. I haven't heard it addressed before.
 
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Thanks for the comments guys!

Great points Bill. I think anyone that would be using these adapters, especially DIY adapters, won't be heading to a filmout. Although, I've got no doubt that I'll acheive the same resolution and contrast as the Mini35. I'm betting that a good diopter will allow me to concentrate more on the image quality. Right now, the video looks amazing on my calibrated sony video monitor.

Hey Bill, I've emailed you a few more questions. (Jamey)

Thanks again guys!!!
 
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redrock- can I see some of your latest clips with you redrock35? thanks.
 
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The post above is the only footage I have online right now. Maybe I'll get some outdoor stuff this weekend.

One thing to note from the conversation and footage above, I was only using two 40 watt lights.... Maybe I can break out the two 1ks and the 650 for some testing...

EDIT: I like the name, 'Redrock35'. Sweet.
 
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The issue of loss of clarity when using a Mini35 device can be made a non issue if you switch to medium format lenses and GG. At 4+ times the images size any imperfection the Mini35 has should become unnoticeable and ready for a quality film out. Also the larger GG negates the use of diopters (their costs and quality issues) and shorter focal lengths can be used on the DVX lens which translates to the ability to open the DVX lens to a wider stop thus the image is brighter as well.

Mini645

Brett Erskine
www.CinematographerReels.com
 
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Brett,
I've heard you discuss this before. Do you have any sample footage or pics?
 
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that was hillarious unix.

I saw a short film from some guys in germany who made a mini35 with a minolta camera and 2 boards on nailed to each other at a 90deg. angle. the camera is on the horizontal plane and they had a gl2 pointing down to the camera at a vertical angle. they then used blackwrap to cover the space b/w both cams. not the prettiest of setups but the footage was awesome. I have the link somewhere at home and i'll try to find it for you guys.
 
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Great, I finally manage to get a DVX (as in today) and now I have to buy one of these! ;D

Footage looks great.

Fox
 
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From the sample video that you've shown us (which by the way looks great ;D), it seems that only canon ef mount lenses are supported. will other mounts be availible? i.e. nikon, maxxum, arri PL (if you even have the money to rent or buy PL lenses)
it would be nice to use different lenses on a great system.
 
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I'll try and get some frame grabs out of my adapter and post them soon but its not finished yet. Im having a real problem finding the correct set of PCX lenses to colminate the light to its new focal length. I cant tell you how many times I've had to put this back on the shelf. But from what we already know from photography all the concepts I talked about should ring true (ie. 1-Larger GG and image sharper and less grainy it appears 2-Shorter focal lengths on the DVX allow for wider apertures 3-Larger image means no need for a diopter, etc.) There are draw backs of course. Medium format lenses are more expensive, the adapter will be larger than a static adapter (but not as large as a rotating "CD" style adapter). Finally medium format lenses generally arent as fast as 35mm lens. Expect minimum f/stops of around f/2.8. But since DOF is shallower on medium format lenses then 35mm you still can get that f/1.4 35mm look out of a f/2.8 medium format lens.
 
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Hi Redrock,
Very nice package.., do you know any price range yet.. ?
And final question, on your webpage you mention trying to fly the camera on your Magiqcam Rig, so.. did it work ?

Regards, Erik
 
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Thanks again for the comments guys!

rpster:
I'm looking for a source on some professtional mounts for the lenses you've mentioned. I plan on supporting all of them.

goerik:
I'm finishing up my oscillating design before pricing either unit. I've got several people beta testing the spinning design now.
 
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Been watching this one for awhile; keep us inthe LOOP redrock. Im game.
 
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Hmm.. it has been awhile, what's going on with this project redrock? I'm still psyched! ;D
 
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her redrock,
I'm waiting for some good news too! I'm game for this, your stuff looks amazing. Keep us notified
 
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Hey Brett, I've followed your posts on the dvinfo forums. I am interested in seeing your adapter. Please keep me informed when you are done. Also Juan Pertiere who managed to get a 4.4.4 uncompressed image out of the dvx said it is very easy to invert the image from the main board in the dvx. I think a combination of a mini-35 with minimal loss of resolution, 35mm DOF and Juans mod will yield a very good image possibly good enough for a film transfer. I plan on shooting a feature (if the screenplay doesn't get optioned by April) and I would like to incorporate these tools with my DVX. Guys keep up the good work.
 
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Redrock, I started building a crane last year never completed it. I'm using 6061T aircraft aluminum 1/8 thick, 4 4-foot pieces for a total length of 16 feet, not counting mount. I also started building a pan/tilt head using servo gears but also never finished. When you are done, I would love to see your design. Also are you using pnuematic tires on the dolly?
 
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