Director Katherine Brooks is offering spend a day on set shadowing her...

As I look around on some other forums...imagine my surprize to see the exact same posting?

I wonder if this should be classified as advertising? :huh:
 
This does sound like a case of fundraising but more like "a sucker is born every minute" or "a fool and his money are soon parted".

I wish I had the nerve to do fundraising like this, I could use $20,000 to finish up my film :(

I'm becoming quite skeptical these days after seeing scam after scam on tv.
 
dalethompson said:
This does sound like a case of fundraising but more like "a sucker is born every minute" or "a fool and his money are soon parted".

I wish I had the nerve to do fundraising like this, I could use $20,000 to finish up my film :(

I'm becoming quite skeptical these days after seeing scam after scam on tv.
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And on the internet. Every flyer out there has fine fine print attached so you order something and about ten other really expensive items come too. Dishonest people out there...
 
I saw that too (how much money was raised). Yeah, some people will throw money towards things like this without even thinking about it.

I quickly raised $200 in less than an hour a few years ago (for an established charity mind you) just by knocking on doors and asking people. These days, you can save the effort and just post something online and add a Paypal button to it. Takes all the rejection out of the equation and you don't actually have to work for it (except to build a website or write out a few things).

One thing I don't get: Why is there all the fuss these days to do a "behind the scenes" shoot? If it was something interesting like Lord of the Rings or 300, I'd be interested in watching it to see how certain things were done. Otherwise, a set on a small production is pretty boring, at least to me.
 
One neat thing about kickstarter is that if they don't raise the full 20 thousand they don't get a dime.

Of course one of their investors or w/e can donate the rest of the money but kickstarter will take a cut of it.

They should really close this thread or make her pay 20$ a month to Mr Jarred Land.
 
subtleinspiration said:
Don't be an asshole over what charity she chooses to support. And a "portion" might just be $1000, leaving 19k to go to the development of the website and the shooting of the video. And that's probably a regular budget for that type of thing on a real film, not the cheap-ass PB&J catered indie films that are a dime-a-dozen.
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Dang, and I thought I got my knickers in a twist easily. At least I was defending my own film. Why jump in people's sh*t, cursing them, simply because they're a bit cynical of the motives.

You kinda remind me of my step-mother who, whenever she yelled, "How dare you!", it was because she was in the wrong, and the only way she could bluff her way out was to be indignantly righteous.
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How did I curse him? I said "don't be an asshole." And that was simply over the matter of choosing to attack her based on the charity she was going to support, which is just asinine in my opinion.

Why did you have to jump in many posts later to bring it back up?
 
You do seem to toss asshole and asinine around pretty easily, when you do that you gotta expect people to react a bit. Why don’t you tote up how many other posts have posters calling other people asshole and telling them they’re asinine. The comments they made were a lot more mild than yours. If you’re looking for assholes and shrill, asinine behavior why not look in the mirror.
 
I suppose there won't be much sympathy for Ms. Katherine Brooks in her attempt to get $20,000 for something a like, well, sketchy at best in terms of fundraising for a film project. Can you really expect anyone not to look at this with some apprehension with the economy still weak and lots of people still unemployed?

Hey, I'm all for raising money for a legit project all the way but Ms. Brooks really might want to try it the old fashioned way like taking out a line of credit, getting a second job, selling off something or even, gasp, doing the Robert Rodriquez technique and join a drug experimental study.

If she really needs to feed a horse too, might I suggest just finding an open field for this, do you really need a charity for this? Last time I saw, thoroughbred horses have it pretty good when you compare them to dogs, cats, livestock etc. in terms of needing help to be cared for and rehabilitated (I used to help out on a horse ranch).
 
Um, $20,000? I could make a film with that, pay all the actors and crew and do an after party. We shot the "Action Filmmaking" DVD when we shot our film. We simply let the cameraman shoot while we were setting up and doing choreo. The crew all wore multiple hats. A PA or even at times my producer simply shot with the deck cam if we were using the main camera. We did a full DVD with over 100 minutes of footage. And it certainly didn't cost $20,000. Even a paid crew could get this done for $2500 (that's paying a camera man $250 a day for ten days add a boom guy for another $1000 so that's $3500. This is your budget. Buy five HF100s from ebay and hide them around the set then your budget becomes about $3000, $4000 again if you add the boom man for ten days. If you buy HF100s you can shoot and do bts. BTS doesn't have to be HD so you can purchase SD cameras for about $200 a pop. Five of them are $1000. Show me again how the $20,000 budget is justified.

As for PETA, I don't particularly like abuse of animals, but I'm not particularly fond of PETA either. And if I were going to pay to "shadow" someone, there's several people on this forum I'd pay before this person. Anyone who quotes $20,000 to do a making of vid is not someone I'd pay to follow.

Seriously I'd like to shadow Faith Granger from "Deuceofspades" (look at what she did for little money and that was a period piece), or October Black and the dudes shooting "The Dead War" or Brandon Rice, Barry Green, Stu Maschwitz (definitely), Matt Sconce and many others right here on DVXUser, not to mention my own producer J.H. Rogers III who I'm usually on set with at some point. And I bet if I were in the area and simply asked one of the others, they'd probably say, "Sure dude." Basically I can't see how this is worth the money being asked, unless you really like Katherine Brooks, who I didn't even know off until I saw this thread (and I used to watch "The Osbournes"). I think maybe she should start a small film class and make money that way. Try that.

-Nate
 
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with the amount of film students in California, you'd think someone would do this for experience alone or to put on their resume, especially if Ms. Brooks is as good/talented as her website indicates.

You could do this for under $500 easily, heck, I'd even bump it up to $2000 for the price of providing food, transportation and other things.

$20,000? I'm with Nathyn, that's a whole production and a party at the end. What I wouldn't give for a budget like that right now.
 
I produce behind the scenes for DVD and Blu-ray and a $20k budget is low for anything that is not a microbudget production. In fact, I've never produced behind the scenes content for less than $50k. If you want this material to go through a top home entertainment distributor, there are strict broadcast standards to meet that spending $500 would not even come close to satisfying. The requirement of passing a QC alone costs more than that. There is something to be said for budgeting something efficiently, but also for not undermining to quality, regardless of the source of that budget, to deliver professional results. Yes you can hand a $500 video camera to a PA, but who will compose shots effectively? who will have the experience to know what to look for? who will form the proposal for the individual behind the scenes pieces? who will script the making of, anatomy of a scene, sizzle reel, etc? who will coordinate interview time with the production so their memories and responses are fresh? who will decide which days to shoot? who will light those interviews? who will look at the entire slate of behind the scenes pieces and conduct fruitful and relevant interviews getting the bites you need? who will know what kind of clips appeal to media outlets on an Electronic Press Kit and how to get them?

Honestly, if someone told me they were just going to have someone shoot b-roll everyday with no consideration for what they were there to get and that was their "behind the scenes" strategy, I'd tell them not to bother. That's like making a movie without a script.

That being said, if anyone would like to consult with me on extending the value of their DVD or Blu-ray releases with behind the scenes content, or how that material can be leveraged as marketing and audience-building opportunities, feel free to ask me how. the questions I listed above are a good starting point. I would only add, that the amount of effort you are willing to put into it will correspond to how effective it is for you. Take a look at what one filmmaker did with hid DVD for Broken. Very well produced behind the scenes that served as a film school of sorts drove the sale of 5,000 units of his $15 to $20 DVD... of a short film!
 
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Zak Forsman said:
That's like making a movie without a script.
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I always thought that WAS your style of filmmaking? Start with an outline and let the actors run with it from there (with your direction of course) to get real emotion....or maybe I'm mistaken?
 
ZazaCast said:
I always thought that WAS your style of filmmaking? Start with an outline and let the actors run with it from there (with your direction of course) to get real emotion....or maybe I'm mistaken?
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yeah, you're mistaken but quite a few are, i suppose. because I use the word "improv" a lot and that is equated to "making it up as you go". but that's not what we do. there is always a guide. I breakdown a script like any director would. I guess i'm different in that I'm willing to depart from the written dialogue in search of something genuine and real by following the underlying objectives and intentions so they filter through the actor organically. but there is always a foundation in place to guide us.
 
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