FEATURE: DEUCE OF SPADES - How I made a period full feature film all by myself on ZERO budget

Busy as hell in Filmland. Learning a lot everyday. Know a lot about film transfers now, but I'm sure I'll still learn more. ;)

Currently starting to get a promotional booth together to promote the film at upcoming huge Roadster show.

Also looking into projectors.

Can anyone chime in on projectors, if I wanted to project clips at car shows or, use it for screening digital copy of film at 35 mm theaters. What models have you guys used sucessfully in the past, cost of unit (used) and cost of replacement bulb...

Anything you can share would be very useful to myself and many others, I am sure :)

On my end this is what I have, so far, gathered:

1. Under not so dark conditions, projectors fall flat on their faces, some more so than others, the more lumens the better, of course. This week-end will be the big test for me, see if my 10X10 booth which has black walls all around, will provide just enough "shade" to be able to see the image projected on back wall. Not very likely but I'm gonna give it a crack. Preliminary tests at home, outside, were encouraging.

2. For a larger venue you probably want at least 4000 to 5000 lumens. These units are expensive, and heavier, and get very hot, may require travel case etc etc... Can be purchased used, to save some $$... Found some new ones on Internet that were not too bad price wise, under $4000. Lamp Life was rated for 1000 or 2000 hours - hey, not bad. Not sure how much replacement lamp costs though... Might be in the thousands?? :crybaby:

3. Short throw projector will be a better bet cause you can get a large image from up close. Solves a lot of logistics problems for a car show situation (small 10X10 booth space). But maybe for a theater application a long throw would work better?

4. yes I know you can buy a lense that converts a long throw into a short throw... Seems like the best way to go.. If you can afford it LOL.

5. Yes I know you can also rent them, and got some rates yesterday, maybe renting would be a good way to go to test what works best, before taking the plunge and buying. Generally speaking, renting is not cost effective if you are going to use it a lot, after renting about 10 times, you could buy it and then it's yours free and clear. I like that. And you bet I'll be projecting more than 10 times HAHAHAHA !!

PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE, PROJECTOR BRAND AND MODEL NB, price, lamp price and good and bad for each projector you used.


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I have heard the phrase "Contrast is King." More then once. I don't know if that helps or not but maybe something to look into.
 
Faith, just a heads up with projectors:

My film has played at a lot of festivals this year through various projectors and most use DLP technology. Many of these have slower spinning wheels which cause the 'rainbow' effect (I'm one of those who can see it; it can make you nauseous if there is a lot of motion on screen). If you can find a good LCD projector (I personally own a Panasonic 1080P projector and it is amazing; I've shown the film on decent size screens (120"+ with good results).

Good luck!
Todd
 
Faith, just a heads up with projectors:

My film has played at a lot of festivals this year through various projectors and most use DLP technology. Many of these have slower spinning wheels which cause the 'rainbow' effect (I'm one of those who can see it; it can make you nauseous if there is a lot of motion on screen). If you can find a good LCD projector (I personally own a Panasonic 1080P projector and it is amazing; I've shown the film on decent size screens (120"+ with good results).

Good luck!
Todd

Todd I take it you do not recommend DLP projectors then...?

What the model of your Panasonic projector, I want to have a look at the specs (lumens, contrast ration, throw ratio, price etc...)
 
Heads up!

Free screening of DEUCE OF SPADES footage, including never seen before BILL HINES scene, and SCTA 2010 scene, TONIGHT on the big screen at BILLETPROOF:

McMenamins Olympic Club Theatre
112 North Tower Avenue
Centralia, WA 98531-4220.

From 10:30PM to 11PM
 
Would either of you two Netflixin pros mind telling us a bit about the process of getting on Netflix? Did you deal with this yourself or did you have a sales agent?

Added both of you to my queue!

NEWSFLASH! DEUCE OF SPADES NOW LISTED ON NETFLIX!​




I saved it to my queue and my movie "Battle" has joined you as a listing on Netflix...so put it in your queues as well.

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Battle/70140549?trkid=226872

thanks and keep up the forward momentum Faith!

-M
 
Would either of you two Netflixin pros mind telling us a bit about the process of getting on Netflix? Did you deal with this yourself or did you have a sales agent?

Added both of you to my queue!

Thanks for the add. Actually, in the case of Battle, we didn't have any direct interaction as yet with Netflix as we're still in post and haven't even shown copies to the distributors we're in correspondence with yet.

I believe Netflix picks up on films that they find "out there" at times and anticipate will be released. I know of a Documentary called "Darius Goes West" that found acclaim at a couple film festivals but doesn't have a distributor that I found out on Netflix listed so I saved it in my queue for them (they're from nearby Athens, GA) in case it helps them when they are ready to deal with Netflix.

I'm not sure about how it happened for "DEUCE OF SPADES" though, in our case It's just the general awareness we seem to be creating.

Thanks again for the add,

Martin
 
Busy as hell in Filmland. Learning a lot everyday. Know a lot about film transfers now, but I'm sure I'll still learn more. ;)

Currently starting to get a promotional booth together to promote the film at upcoming huge Roadster show.

Also looking into projectors.

Can anyone chime in on projectors, if I wanted to project clips at car shows or, use it for screening digital copy of film at 35 mm theaters. What models have you guys used sucessfully in the past, cost of unit (used) and cost of replacement bulb...

Anything you can share would be very useful to myself and many others, I am sure :)

On my end this is what I have, so far, gathered:

1. Under not so dark conditions, projectors fall flat on their faces, some more so than others, the more lumens the better, of course. This week-end will be the big test for me, see if my 10X10 booth which has black walls all around, will provide just enough "shade" to be able to see the image projected on back wall. Not very likely but I'm gonna give it a crack. Preliminary tests at home, outside, were encouraging.

2. For a larger venue you probably want at least 4000 to 5000 lumens. These units are expensive, and heavier, and get very hot, may require travel case etc etc... Can be purchased used, to save some $$... Found some new ones on Internet that were not too bad price wise, under $4000. Lamp Life was rated for 1000 or 2000 hours - hey, not bad. Not sure how much replacement lamp costs though... Might be in the thousands?? :crybaby:

3. Short throw projector will be a better bet cause you can get a large image from up close. Solves a lot of logistics problems for a car show situation (small 10X10 booth space). But maybe for a theater application a long throw would work better?

4. yes I know you can buy a lense that converts a long throw into a short throw... Seems like the best way to go.. If you can afford it LOL.

5. Yes I know you can also rent them, and got some rates yesterday, maybe renting would be a good way to go to test what works best, before taking the plunge and buying. Generally speaking, renting is not cost effective if you are going to use it a lot, after renting about 10 times, you could buy it and then it's yours free and clear. I like that. And you bet I'll be projecting more than 10 times HAHAHAHA !!

PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE, PROJECTOR BRAND AND MODEL NB, price, lamp price and good and bad for each projector you used.

We just tested this:
>BARCO FLM 20,000 Lumin, High Definition Video Projector w/2.8 to 4.5 lens.

It was able to shoot our HD blu-ray of STRICKEN across a lighted large warehouse. We will be renting it, as it costs $90,000 to buy it. The image was extremely sharp even in light and we were very pleased. The guys at LiveLight in Fresno that rent it say it is the best on the market and that it has very interesting features. Two can be stacked, aligned and then shoot at 40,000 lumens; it can warp the image to perfect it even if it is not in direct alignment with the screen; it can shoot across an entire indoor basketball arena and still look perfect. Maybe a rental of this type of projector is what you are looking for. Rentals are usually around $2400/day. It is 220V and high powered. Best to you! -Gary :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
We just tested this:
>BARCO FLM 20,000 Lumin, High Definition Video Projector w/2.8 to 4.5 lens.

It was able to shoot our HD blu-ray of STRICKEN across a lighted large warehouse. We will be renting it, as it costs $90,000 to buy it. The image was extremely sharp even in light and we were very pleased. The guys at LiveLight in Fresno that rent it say it is the best on the market and that it has very interesting features. Two can be stacked, aligned and then shoot at 40,000 lumens; it can warp the image to perfect it even if it is not in direct alignment with the screen; it can shoot across an entire indoor basketball arena and still look perfect. Maybe a rental of this type of projector is what you are looking for. Rentals are usually around $2400/day. It is 220V and high powered. Best to you! -Gary :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)


Oooo la la this all sound promising.... Except for the rental price that is. How do you guys plan on making money from a screening after paying the rental fee... Unless you are doing it as a one time deal for a premiere for exemple...

Also, what is the approximate size and weight of this unit and how much heat does it generate?

Thanks for the info!!
 
Would either of you two Netflixin pros mind telling us a bit about the process of getting on Netflix? Did you deal with this yourself or did you have a sales agent?

Added both of you to my queue!

You can find out how to submit your film on Netflix by looking on their site, the info is posted here:

http://www.netflix.com/SubmitFilm?lnkctr=cu_tr&role=1


In my case I did not submit the film, in fact I was not even aware I was already listed on Netflix. It was one of my fans that emailed me about it, after finding DOS on the site. gave me a heart attack. I thought someone had stolen my film and released it on Netflix LOL. Cause I never submitted it to them... Yet, there it was!

Fortunately theft was not the case. A swift phone call to their legal department clarified things: Netflix has companies that do marketing research for them and they surf the net in search of hot, up and coming movies. They also, from what I understand, scope out major film festivals. They will list selected films they feel could do well. They do so arbitrarily without asking the filmmaker. This listing does not guaranty you will be offered a deal by Netflix, a lot of it depends on how many people add it to their queue etc...

Good luck :) !!
 
Oooo la la this all sound promising.... Except for the rental price that is. How do you guys plan on making money from a screening after paying the rental fee... Unless you are doing it as a one time deal for a premiere for exemple...

Also, what is the approximate size and weight of this unit and how much heat does it generate?

Thanks for the info!!

(We are not making money from this test screening. A percentage of the money is going to a charity for a young man with a traumatic brain injury. It is part of our publicity budget, as we will be filming the responses of the viewers for any final tweaking of the post. )

We are actually paying a good deal less for the rental than the standard cost and I am not allowed to quote that price. The unit is around 200lbs comes in an anvil case. It is approximately 2'x2'x3' in size. It has a carrying bar all the way around it for 4 guys to haul it with. It is very efficient and the heat out the back is consistent but not all that bad, lol, just don't stand there. We are paying a tech to set it up, dial it in and then later, remove it. Then you don't get blamed for breaking a $95,000 HD video projector! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Netflix has companies that do marketing research for them and they surf the net in search of hot, up and coming movies. They also, from what I understand, scope out major film festivals. They will list selected films they feel could do well. They do so arbitrarily without asking the filmmaker. This listing does not guaranty you will be offered a deal by Netflix, a lot of it depends on how many people add it to their queue etc...

Good luck :) !!

Faith,

So great that you got the real scoop. It matches my assumption of how our films got listed and I'm definitely grateful that it is, I feel in good company in terms of the films that get listed prior to being released.

And thanks for the add too.

Keep it up!

-Martin
 
We are actually paying a good deal less for the rental than the standard cost and I am not allowed to quote that price. The unit is around 200lbs comes in an anvil case. It is approximately 2'x2'x3' in size. It has a carrying bar all the way around it for 4 guys to haul it with. It is very efficient and the heat out the back is consistent but not all that bad, lol, just don't stand there. We are paying a tech to set it up, dial it in and then later, remove it. Then you don't get blamed for breaking a $95,000 HD video projector! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Is it a Christie?
 
(We are not making money from this test screening. A percentage of the money is going to a charity for a young man with a traumatic brain injury. It is part of our publicity budget, as we will be filming the responses of the viewers for any final tweaking of the post. )

We are actually paying a good deal less for the rental than the standard cost and I am not allowed to quote that price. The unit is around 200lbs comes in an anvil case. It is approximately 2'x2'x3' in size. It has a carrying bar all the way around it for 4 guys to haul it with. It is very efficient and the heat out the back is consistent but not all that bad, lol, just don't stand there. We are paying a tech to set it up, dial it in and then later, remove it. Then you don't get blamed for breaking a $95,000 HD video projector! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Well, although this sounds like a KILLER projector... Wait it IS a KILLER projector!

1- It will kill you if it falls on you (200 lbs)
2- It will kill you if you stand in the trajectory of it's deadly, nuclear worthy heat radiation LOL and...
3- If all above does not get you, then the bill will HAHAHAHA!!

(Sorry I could not help it, I thought above was really funny :D )

I don't think this is the projector I should get for my humble needs, but it's good to know such units exist, should I ever decide to project my film on a HUMOUGOUS screen...

Actually, come to think of it, I may be getting similar set up for the premiere, if I fail to produce a 35mm screener by then (sigh)... Since the Premiere is to take place (hopefully?) at a drive in theater. Cause it's a CAR FILM hehehehe.
 
Faith,

So great that you got the real scoop. It matches my assumption of how our films got listed and I'm definitely grateful that it is, I feel in good company in terms of the films that get listed prior to being released.

And thanks for the add too.

Keep it up!

-Martin


Note that I have my own outlook on being added by netflix. Although it is an honor in some way, and does give a certain 'clout" to a project, it also is a double edge sword. Because if you are selling DVDs on your own and moving a good number of units, as I have been for the past few months with my pre-sales, then being listed on Netflix may cut into your DVD sales.

The reason is that some people, who might otherwise be a DVD buyer, may see it on netflix (listed as a save) and immediately assume that since it is listed then it will soon (for sure) be avaible for them to see through Netflix chanel, therefore they will not buy the DVD, since they think they will be able to see the film at no cost.


So Netflix listing can make you lose a lot of sales.

Plus you have no idea what kind of deal (if any) Netfliz will be offering. A filmmaker shared with me last week, at a show, that Netflix may only offer a very small amount of money to buy the DVD at super low cost (say they would buy 500 DVD at $5 a piece ir even less) and then own te rightts to rent those for a long time (she mentioned forever - but I am not sure any of her info is acurate so take it with a grain of salt, as i have).

Which means that you sold say 500 at $5 = $2,500.00 and then probably lost $20,000.00 worth of DVD sales because of that.

To me, absolutely not worth it, since my DVDs are selling like crazy and I am making the full profit on each sale cause I own everything 100%.

So if in deed Netflix just buys the units and does not give you an additional residual or rental fee of some sort, I really don't see the interest in being on Netflix.

Perhaps someone who actually signed a deal with them might chime in , here and give us the full scoop. Feel free to change the names, and some of the figures if it is confidential, but it woudl be nice to get a bit of a heads up on what to expect.
 
I was an intern at a non-profit that distribbed docs for a while. They had a couple deals with netflix.

For those titles, Netflix would pay a flat rate for discs for rental use but that rate was more like $500 per disc (not $5). If a title gets popular they will order more discs to cover the added demand and because they wear out quicker.

Mind you though, with something as niche as this (or our special interest docs) they only ordered 10 or so discs so we're still not talking about a huge payout from netflix.

I should also add that each title was negotiated separately.
 
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