detail, vertical detail, and coring settings?
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Honestly, these are best explained in the HMC book by Barry Green, one of this sites founders. Another good option is the Scene File Whitepapers found on the Panasonic Pro Website.
In broad terms, detail is like electronic gain for you image. It electronically sharpens the image. When you increase detail, you will increase random noise along with it. Coring will help reduce the noise created by increasing the detail. My own experience is that some detail increase is good, along with some coring, but use both in moderation. If you do some testing, you will see the changes, try using 0,0,0 and then start cranking each up until you see some pretty electronic images. Somewhere around 2,2,2 is a compromise setting. The default scene files that are built into the cam will have varying amount of both.
Grant
In broad terms, detail is like electronic gain for you image. It electronically sharpens the image. When you increase detail, you will increase random noise along with it. Coring will help reduce the noise created by increasing the detail. My own experience is that some detail increase is good, along with some coring, but use both in moderation. If you do some testing, you will see the changes, try using 0,0,0 and then start cranking each up until you see some pretty electronic images. Somewhere around 2,2,2 is a compromise setting. The default scene files that are built into the cam will have varying amount of both.
Grant
Chris Johnston
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I just got done watching the Douglas Spotted Eagle DVD that came with my 150 and he says NOT to increase the detail. As a matter of fact as he was setting up his he set detail to -2 and vert detail to 0 .
Robert M Wright
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There's a (huge) difference, between getting footage that will look best straight out of the camera, or getting footage that gives you the most flexibility to work with in post.
I'll echo what ggrantly said about Barry Green's HMC book. It is the best single resource I know of, for owners of Panasonic's HMC camcorders. (I haven't seen DSE's DVD on the HMC150 though.)
When it comes to detail (actually sharpening) settings, if you want your footage to look best straight out of the camera, you need to take shooting conditions into account, as well as what kind of display you will be viewing the footage on. If you want the most leeway for adjusting the look of your footage in post, you probably want to dial in-camera sharpening way down. You can easily sharpen all you want in post, but it's far and away more difficult to reverse sharpening that was already done in-camera.
Robert,
If you reduce detail in your source file, isn't it kind of hard to put it back in after the fact? Start with something soft and try to fix it later? I'm not suggesting to make things artificially weird, but making your source file intentionally soft, I'm not too sure I can agree with that thinking.
Accelv,
You have your answer. Test for the look you want and decide for yourself. The topic and mood you want to create will influence this. The whole idea of the scene file adjustments encourages your creativity.
Grant
If you reduce detail in your source file, isn't it kind of hard to put it back in after the fact? Start with something soft and try to fix it later? I'm not suggesting to make things artificially weird, but making your source file intentionally soft, I'm not too sure I can agree with that thinking.
Accelv,
You have your answer. Test for the look you want and decide for yourself. The topic and mood you want to create will influence this. The whole idea of the scene file adjustments encourages your creativity.
Grant
Yes you can sharp up the image in post, but this will add noise.. After testing it showed me that you will get less noise if you crank the detail by one or two, rather then doing it in post IMO
Coring really helps you out do get rid of noise. But be carefull, coring takes away noise but if you crank it to high it will actually start to hide detail in the picture. Master ped. also helps and makes the blacks more deep and nice. Somewhere between -6 or -8 is nice.
Coring really helps you out do get rid of noise. But be carefull, coring takes away noise but if you crank it to high it will actually start to hide detail in the picture. Master ped. also helps and makes the blacks more deep and nice. Somewhere between -6 or -8 is nice.
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Robert M Wright
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Grant,
Reducing the "detail" setting does not soften the image. The "detail" setting controls how much edge enhancement (aka sharpening) is applied to the image by the camera. You can do the same thing in post.
Adnir,
There are (many) different sharpening filters you can use in post.
Reducing the "detail" setting does not soften the image. The "detail" setting controls how much edge enhancement (aka sharpening) is applied to the image by the camera. You can do the same thing in post.
Adnir,
There are (many) different sharpening filters you can use in post.