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robbailey

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Will be doing a shoot soon that will be using an ngt2 for outdoors. Is there a decent hyper for indoors with a similar price as the ntg2? Is something like one of the inexpensive avantone even worth looking at? Looks like it comes with an omni, car, and hyper cap. Also I have an excellent boom operator lined up so he's crafty with using a variety of mics in tough situations.
 
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I snagged an older Audio Technica 4053a on ebay for about $200 (like new condition). Mostly identical to the newer 4053b at about a third the cost. Sound quality is excellent. Not sure if you can wait around for a used one to pop up, though.
 
The MK012 is a good low cost choice, but you will have issues if you do not also factor in the cost for a suspension mount and a BBG w/dead cat.
 
David W. Jones said:
you will have issues if you do not also factor in the cost for a suspension mount and a BBG w/dead cat.
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A deadcat, even for indoor use?
As for suspension mount, what's "good" for you when using this mic? I currently own the RØDE PG2 one, works well with the NTG2 for now. Would it be ok, or should I need to "improve" that one as well with the mic?
 
drapeama said:
A deadcat, even for indoor use?
As for suspension mount, what's "good" for you when using this mic? I currently own the RØDE PG2 one, works well with the NTG2 for now. Would it be ok, or should I need to "improve" that one as well with the mic?
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If you are stationary, you might get by without get by without indoor wind protection, but if you are booming, plan on it being a need. Not familiar with the Rode mount you are using, but small condensers tend to be very short, so a very small or adjustable mount is required. Especially so if you are using wind protection since it must attach onto the mic as well.

Though not everyones fav mount for isolation, I like the K-tek KSSM mount coupled with a Rycote Baby Ball Gag. This rig has mojo for me and just stays parked on my small condensers. If getting a KSSM, make sure and get the "soft" suspenders.

Grant
 
ggrantly said:
Not familiar with the Rode mount you are using [..] Though not everyones fav mount for isolation, I like the K-tek KSSM mount
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1) This is the PG2:
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2) I'll check for it. Any other suggestion? So far I'm pleased with the PG2 (for what I do with it) but I'm open to other's comments.
 
drapeama said:
1) This is the PG2:
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2) I'll check for it. Any other suggestion? So far I'm pleased with the PG2 (for what I do with it) but I'm open to other's comments.
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I am getting old...... I have one of those as part of my Rode blimp kit, or something very similar, maybe the one in the photo doesn't have length adjustment. This is a pretty decent mount and should work, but for a hyper, it is a bit large.

Does anyone else hate the auto spell-checker-corrector thing the DVX user uses? It is just too much sometimes.

Grant
 
drapeama said:
A deadcat, even for indoor use?
As for suspension mount, what's "good" for you when using this mic? I currently own the RØDE PG2 one, works well with the NTG2 for now. Would it be ok, or should I need to "improve" that one as well with the mic?
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The deadcat/baby ball gag thing is for when you move the boom, even that creates wind noise wiith this mic. Unquestionably the best mount out there is a Rycote lyre style one.
 
yoclay said:
The deadcat/baby ball gag thing is for when you move the boom, even that creates wind noise wiith this mic. Unquestionably the best mount out there is a Rycote lyre style one.
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1) I thought that the foam windscreen would be enough for indoor.
2) I guess that the RØDE isn't the among the best ones?
 
I'd recommend the Audio Technica AT-4053b as a great hypercardioid for interiors.

I think it'll get you about 90% of the way to the sound of a Schoeps CMC 641 for about 1/4th the cost. It's been my standby boom mic for interiors for some time.

Last time I checked, it was about $ 450 - $ 500. A nice-sounding mic and gets the job done in reflective interiors.

Cheers,

S.
 
Stephen Hall said:
I'd recommend the Audio Technica AT-4053b as a great hypercardioid for interiors. [..] Last time I checked, it was about $ 450 - $ 500.
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Problem is often the budget. I'd be very pleased to get one, but I can't afford to invest that ammount on a mic. Not as I'm only doing this as a hobby.
That's why the Oktava was a more affordable solution.
 
Given your budget constraint, I can't see the problem with an Oktava MK012 as long as you a) avoid the noisy low-cut filter [see http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?305348-Oktava-MK012-low-cut-filter-self-noise ] and b) use a decent shock-mount [the Rycote Invision 7 is probably your best bet]. You say that you have a good boom op, so the handling noise shouldn't be a problem unless there are some extremely dramatic boom movements. As for the foam windscreen vs baby ball gag, it will depend again on how much movement you need: for gentle movements I have found the foam windscreen to be fine, but others seem to have found any movement gives problems. Certainly, if you plan significant boom movements then it would be wise to allow for a baby ball gag when budgeting/comparing costs. Cheers, Roland
 
robbailey said:
Will be doing a shoot soon that will be using an ngt2 for outdoors. Is there a decent hyper for indoors with a similar price as the ntg2? Is something like one of the inexpensive avantone even worth looking at? Looks like it comes with an omni, car, and hyper cap. Also I have an excellent boom operator lined up so he's crafty with using a variety of mics in tough situations.
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The Gefell M310 is a good little hyper-cardioid (same as the M300 but hyper-cardioid instead of cardioid).

Sells in the UK for £625 +VAT

Review of the cardioid version is HERE (the hyper has not been reviewed, but as it is identical to the cardioid except fpr polar-pattern....)
 
Some great suggestions from everyone. One other thing I've been wondering, would there be much difference in these two scenarios. A mic like an ntg2 going into a dr100, vs an ntg2 going into something like a 60d or the h6? The pre's are supposed to be upgraded but both are so new.
 
THIS is another great option for a low-cost hypercardioid, and it doesn't get many mentions around here. I have a few of them that I use for live music, but I have used one of them on several short films and it always delivers. It does need wind protection, but a furry cover should be enough to guard against boom swings.

robbailey said:
One other thing I've been wondering, would there be much difference in these two scenarios. A mic like an ntg2 going into a dr100, vs an ntg2 going into something like a 60d or the h6? The pre's are supposed to be upgraded but both are so new.
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The pre-amps in any of these compact recorders may not perform so well, and that's just the nature of the beast for cheap recorders. They are very useful tools, but they all have their limits. That said, I have not yet played with a DR-60D so I cannot attest to its performance. Same with the H6, but my experience to date with several Zoom recorders is that the pres are not impressive. The DR-100mkII and the DR-40 have, I believe, the same pre-amps. Good, but not great.

There's no substitute for having a good mixer or external pre-amp between the mic and a low-cost recorder.
 
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