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Headphone jack. Genius! (sarcasm)

The clean HDMI out is tainted by the line skipping technology.

I am still potentially going to cancel my D800 order. The no time code is a big deal for me.
 
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RRRoger said:
Some D800 samples do look better to me than a D3 at 6400 ISO.
Most normal clips are a lot less than 20 minutes.
Restarting a clip after 20 minutes can be done almost instantly.
The D800 can be start/stopped wirelessly.
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This is fine for narrative shooters, journos and doc shooters - but many event shooters (plays, weddings, church sermons, etc.) have a hard time dealing with gaps in their videos created by a camera that has to restart every 12, 20, or 29 minutes.

Love it as a still camera, but, for me, this is 'not the droid I'm looking for' :-)

Cheers,

Bill
 
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How many wedding ceremonies last more than 20 minutes?
All you have to do is drop the segments on a timeline in CyberLink Power Director to synch them perfectly.
And my Azden external stereo mic gives exceptional sound.
 
Seems that videos on these DSLR's don't capture the full spectrum of dynamic range that the camera's are actually capable of in jpeg pictures. Nikons look nice, but would think they would put out a log or cine mode for their video functions. I don't want to wait another 2yrs to get something that elementary.

Nikon has taken some big steps by doing clean HDMI and having a headphone jack, just seems like some other areas they are still treating video like a fad, or after thought ad on (which for Nikon it probably still is - poke).
 
Nikon had 3 years of market share loss to Canon to come up with a worthy competitor to the 5D. They could have spent the time developing Nikon RAW video but instead they went with AVCHD. THe uncompressed out is very welcomed but really useless if the image is line skipped down from 36 megapixels. It would be a real shame because the Nikon (Sony) sensors look more filmic than Canons with finer grain and no chroma noise at high ISOs.
 
latyshev said:
you mean h264, right?? (avchd is a variant of h264 with messed up file structure, no?)
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mpeg4 long-gop macro-blocky codecs for point and shoots. Pentax was on the right track with high bit-rate m-jpeg, but a lossy RAW codec is the way to go. Canon have a patent for a RAW video codec, hopefully it will make its way into the 5D MKIII and the 4k DSLR.
 
James0b57 said:
Seems that videos on these DSLR's don't capture the full spectrum of dynamic range that the camera's are actually capable of in jpeg pictures. Nikons look nice, but would think they would put out a log or cine mode for their video functions. I don't want to wait another 2yrs to get something that elementary.

Nikon has taken some big steps by doing clean HDMI and having a headphone jack, just seems like some other areas they are still treating video like a fad, or after thought ad on (which for Nikon it probably still is - poke).
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Well, PRO video is not a fad but Indie Video is. Not a passing fad but a fad nonetheless. Why should any manufacturer bother stuffing Pro technology and functionality into pro-sumer products?
Most consumer/prosumer customers spend much more time discussing features than actually shooting. Canon has responded to the need for replacement of their prosumer cameras with the C300. Nikon never had a horse in that race.
Video capable DSLR are for ENG and short documentary, weekened weddings. Why trash nikon for catering to THEIR customers.
I'm not sure if the D4 also has to restart every 12, 20, or 29 minutes.
As a documentary shooter I have indeed covered many interviews that went into overtime into 30 minutes. So i shoot with 60 minute TAPES.
I'm a long time stills shooter but really could care less about the still rez of these cameras as most of my stills are done with a 5MP and an 8MP point and shoot.
So again, why shoehorn an ENG tool into a Feature/Documentary role at all?
Just buy an FS100 or C300 if you need longer takes.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
Well, PRO video is not a fad but Indie Video is. Not a passing fad but a fad nonetheless.
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Indie is short for independent. It is here to stay. Vipsters are a fad. "not a passing fad" is an oxymoron (though, I am sure you knew that and you probably have your reasons. I am just being cheeky.)

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Why should any manufacturer bother stuffing Pro technology and functionality into pro-sumer products? Most consumer/prosumer customers spend much more time discussing features than actually shooting.
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You make a good point, but that doesn't stop manufacturers from marketing their products to prosumers. Nikon: full HD broadcast quality, Uncompressed HDMI, Headphone Monitoring. Those are words that make prosumer video heads turn.

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Canon has responded to the need for replacement of their prosumer cameras with the C300.
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$16000 for body alone, is not very prosumer. (although, 8 bit 50mbps is prosumer to some degree.)

Zephyrnoid said:
Nikon never had a horse in that race.
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Yes, which is what many people are puzzling over. Why hold back?

Zephyrnoid said:
Video capable DSLR are for ENG and short documentary, weekened weddings. Why trash nikon for catering to THEIR customers.
I'm not sure if the D4 also has to restart every 12, 20, or 29 minutes.
As a documentary shooter I have indeed covered many interviews that went into overtime into 30 minutes. So i shoot with 60 minute TAPES.
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29min, I believe.

Zephyrnoid said:
I'm a long time stills shooter but really could care less about the still rez of these cameras as most of my stills are done with a 5MP and an 8MP point and shoot.
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Yeah, most of us stopped caring after 8MP, but occasionally, I really do enjoy the very high resolutions available today.

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So again, why shoehorn an ENG tool into a Feature/Documentary role at all?
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"Why did Nikon shoehorn itself into the feature cinema role at all?" you mean. They are the ones that used the "Joy Ride" as a promo.

Zephyrnoid said:
Just buy an FS100 or C300 if you need longer takes.
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FS100 form function goes against my grain. Though, it is currently at the top of my next personal camera purchase list.

Just buy a C300? Lol.
 
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James0b57

Let's all repeat this mantra. Canon know who the pros are that buy their cameras for money making video and the clue is that you can't say the word or show the movies in family oriented forums. Those 'Pros' don't bat an eye over the cost of cameras in the multi-thousand dollar bracket.

Awesome responses. Nikon isn't worried about money. I assure you. Kodak is dead. Nikon isn't worried about anything. Indeed, Nikon has enjoyed watching Canon do its R&D for it. You know, apart from the glass, all the Japanese Cos. are really in it together, sourcing and factory sharing anyway. it's not like Western competition. Most of Asia has become pretty homogeneous for tech fabrication.
Canon makes most of it's real money in non-photographic imaging. Nikon's mainstay is still photography and non-photographic optics. BOTH canon & Nikon are relative newcomers to video.
And yes... they are happy about the Indie Shopping Sprees!
I ignore MSRP introductory prices because they are 'early adopter' price-points. However, if a camera fits your PROJECT then the budget is a non-issue. As a personal rule, I demand that my first project with a certain set of 'keeper' gear, pays for it . I do not 'invest' in cameras because you really can't these days.
Plus if you do, you end up playing the game that the companies are so much enjoying... THE UPGRADE (AKA Keeping up with the Joneses) GAME.
I'm amazed at how little production value the incremental upgrades make to Indie videos and yet the vast sums that people are willing to pay for are truly impressive.
For keeper gear, I'm a mid to late stream adopter, typically replacing gear every 10 years. that goes for my computer and camera gear.
For everything else, I lease or rent.
I run all that stuff right into the ground with WORK, frequently wearing the buttons and controls down :)
My gear are my slaves. On the forums, it seems the user's are the slaves ;)
Anyway, if the D4 or D800 can assure me at least 29 minutes of uninterrupted takes + true 4:2:2 Color Key space via the much ballyhooed 'Clean HDMI OUT' - I can use them
The FS100 would be a good competitor to the D4 though i have no clue about lenses for the FS100 or mounts for Nikon or other glass.
 
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Are you suggesting in that first paragraph that you work in the "hoo-hoo!" industry? ;)
 
Zephyrnoid said:
James0b57

Let's all repeat this mantra. Canon know who the pros are that buy their cameras for money making video and the clue is that you can't say the word or show the movies in family oriented forums. Those 'Pros' don't bat an eye over the cost of cameras in the multi-thousand dollar bracket.
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I must be in the wrong business....time for a career change! That kind of work is a perfect example of it's not the camera but what you can do with it.
 
Here is a few comments from Nikon Rumors about the D4/D800. Mostly still photography related...
So, I just grabbed a few more video related comments.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/25/t...n-france-on-the-d4-and-d800e.aspx/#more-34222
nikon rumors said:
Q: Hello, why USB3 port on the D800 while the highest D4 in the range only has a USB2?
A: The choice of USB port 3 on the D800 is related to the concept of high definition (36Mpx) and the need to transmit these files as soon as possible. The definition of D4 is less important (16Mpx), the choice of USB 2 was considered sufficient. Nevertheless, the potential of D4 in terms of image transmission (Ethernet, Wi-Fi) make it the most limp communicating range.
Q: what quality to the sound of the D800?
A: The D800 is equipped with a microphone input for stereo miking. A permanent vuemètre allows visual monitoring of sound and a headphone jack provides audio control.
Q: Hi Thomas, could you as simply as possible we do understand the difference between the two housings 800 please?
A: The D800 is equipped with a low pass filter which is designed to disperse light rays to limit the effect of aliasing. The structure of the low-pass filter D800E retains the same optical path while canceling the diffusion of light rays.
Q: The risk of moiré D800E also concerns about the video?
A: As pictured in video, the structure of the low pass filter of D800E can cause moiré. Reducing definition video due to "downscaling" and the specific image processing to the video should limit the appearance of the image. Note that the recording of the video via the HDMI output in a format such as Apple Pro Res optimizes post-production and thus the final image.
Q: available collimators has she been reviewed
Q: Good morning. Could you tell us the difference between D4 and D800 in terms of resistance to extreme conditions (high / low temperatures, rain, etc..)?
A: The D4 and D800 have seals and anti-dripping of a magnesium alloy chassis that allows use in extreme situations. Although no figures are provided, the strength and tightness of D4 were elevated to a higher level.
A: The concept of D800 is to provide maximum definition in a package that is versatile. The D700 is in the range and would make to photographers who do not need high definition a very affordable housing.
Q: Hello, I would like to know more about the video capabilities of D800: is there an autofocus? what kind? how is the monitoring of the subject?
A: The D800 features a new AF contrast detection (directly on the sensor). This is available in AF Live View and video. It is continuous and allows the monitoring of the subject.
Q: the D800E he wins in sensitivity compared to D800?
A: No, the D800 and D800E both have a sensitivity of 100 ISO 6400 with two additional levels.
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APMgZ said:
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- It records 1980x1080 25/30 1280x720 24,25,30,50,60 in .MOV H.264 at 200 mbps (It's being reviewed by the BBC to become or not broadcast approved)
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I think you must have an extra zero in there. H.264 @ 200Mbps might look as good as HDCAM-SR. No need for an external recorder, LOL.
 
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