last_SHIFT
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Thank you for the test - I've always liked Nikon colors - boy that Canon 'baked' in red is just hideous:tongue:
D5200 Anyone got it ???
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Thank you for the test - I've always liked Nikon colors - boy that Canon 'baked' in red is just hideous:tongue:
Rocketfuel
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The D5200 has several options for HDMI output, both progressive and interlaced and also AUTO. I know that with the Ninja 2, and the Nikon D800 filming at 24p, you must set the HDMI output to AUTO and then the Ninja will detect the 24p and record progressive. With my Blackmagic Intensity Pro Card I was unable to get it to recognize the output as progressive, and the AUTO setting also didn't work, so I had to set the camera at 24p and the output to 1080i for the Intensity Pro card to work. So it recorded it with pulldown. I'm not sure if it's a drawback of the Intensity Pro card or what. I wish I had a Ninja 2 to test. Most likely I will buy one soon if the Nikon's output is confirmed as 4:2:2. Not sure how to test if the HDMI output is 4:2:2. Does anyone know? The test with the color chart I posted to vimeo I did with the internal card as 24p though.
BobbyMurcerFan
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See, this is the "problem." The D5200 is cheap. But if you have to add a $1K recorder to it, then it becomes less appealing.
squig
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If it records 24p to a $550 hyperdeck shuttle (with 128gb SSD and reader) then it's very appealing. It appears to have the same codec as the D800 which is good enough for B cam with an Alexa on Dexter.
Rocketfuel
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You don't HAVE to add anything. The camera is great as is. The only reason to add a recorder, if the camera does 4:2:2, is to do green screen work. The 5dMkIII is $3500 bucks and as of yet, doesn't output clean HDMI. The D800 is $3k.
squig
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The video spec looks the same as the D800 so imagine it would be 422.
I understand the ninja does pulldown but the hyperdeck shuttle doesn't so I'm hoping it does output 24p and not just 60i.
squig
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AVCHD is ok when you don't stress it. I need push this thing to its limits.
How's the rolling shutter?
BobbyMurcerFan
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The Hyperdeck can't remove a pulldown. And removing one in post is time consuming and a hassle.
BobbyMurcerFan
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This is the conundrum: the D5200 looks great for what it is and I think handly bests Canon's t's. But if you don't want to edit w/ H.264, then you need to add another grand to the price or spend a lot of time transcoding. And now the GH3 becomes a real alternative. Even though it has its own limitations (and pluses).
Thanks so much Will. The video was great. I really liked the Flaat 11 on the D5200. It's not as drastic as the Cinestyle but MUCH better than the standard profile of the D5200, which is too contrasty IMO. We may need to do some kind of petition to Nikon to have someone come up with a really serious flat profile for all Nikons. Perhaps one that can work with the highest quality before it gets dumbed down. Nikon has come a long way but we need to keep pushing like we did with the Panasonic GH2, which forced them to get serious with the GH3. Unlike Canon, Sony and Panasonic Nikon has no excuse for not putting their all into the video side of their DSLR's. They can make them as Cine as they want to.
Samuel H
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you're dreaming, man...
of course, dreaming is free, I had tought about a similar thing: I'm still working on designing a camera, around the CMV12000 sensor, but this one would be a lot better for a motion picture camera; think APS-C sensor with nearly 14 stops of DR, recording cineform RAW... would Toshiba talk to me? maybe, or maybe they manufacture this but it's a Nikon design... would Nikon talk to me? doubt it... maybe if I get the CMV12000 camera working first... get back to work! damn this is so distracting... (rinse and repeat every 30 minutes)
squig
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Not really, if the camera is good enough I'm seriously considering it.
There's a guy in Melbourne who makes PL mounts for Canon DSLRs. It might be possible to just hack up the mirror box and replace the mount.
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If it's of any interest I shot these last weekend in our church on my d5200 with a 70-200mm and 18-55mm.
The first video is only to establish the geography of the church and where I was shooting from at the back. Thus it was taken on the 18-55 and not intended to show the capability of the d5200.
I often shoot documentary style videos in reasonably low light conditions, hence the reason for trying this quick test in my church from a distance in reasonably low light. I was impressed.
For the last year or so I've been using a Canon 600D for similar tasks. Although I haven't put the two cameras side-by-side in an identical test with the same lens, I know in my gut that the 600D wouldn't perform nearly as well.
Note that these videos are playing in SD via Vimeos player, so you'll need to download the original files for the full HD versions. Incidentally these files haven't been through post, they're straight out of the camera.
The geography of the church: https://vimeo.com/59361541
Shot at a distance at 2000 ISO: https://vimeo.com/59360410
Shot at a distance at 3200 ISO: https://vimeo.com/59359517
The first video is only to establish the geography of the church and where I was shooting from at the back. Thus it was taken on the 18-55 and not intended to show the capability of the d5200.
I often shoot documentary style videos in reasonably low light conditions, hence the reason for trying this quick test in my church from a distance in reasonably low light. I was impressed.
For the last year or so I've been using a Canon 600D for similar tasks. Although I haven't put the two cameras side-by-side in an identical test with the same lens, I know in my gut that the 600D wouldn't perform nearly as well.
Note that these videos are playing in SD via Vimeos player, so you'll need to download the original files for the full HD versions. Incidentally these files haven't been through post, they're straight out of the camera.
The geography of the church: https://vimeo.com/59361541
Shot at a distance at 2000 ISO: https://vimeo.com/59360410
Shot at a distance at 3200 ISO: https://vimeo.com/59359517
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OlegKalyan
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hard to tell anything by this test, what was it for, what there to prove?
to me looks out of focus, shaky, with slow shutter..
to me looks out of focus, shaky, with slow shutter..
squig
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OlegKalyan
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Yes, this one is in focus, not sure what you refering to, blurred bricks while camera shaking? most likely shutter was 30.
squig
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Well it's a combination of long lens, slow shutter, handheld, rolling shutter, and low bit-rate long GOP compression resulting in what's known as mud. The trouble is the codec is likely to fall down shooting action and doing fast pans too. It was an extreme test for a CMOS camera and gives us some insight about its limitations.
Danielvilliers
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I think it is a good thing about waiting one week for a D7100 for those that are interested in the D5200. You never know what could happen. The gh3 has set some benchmark like higher bitrate and 60 fps. For $ 300 we could get a lot more functionality because of a more professional body.