Cropping 16:9??

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I think that you really have to decide what your final output is going to be. In other words, how far do you think it is possible you will go? Internet only, broadcast, DVD, film out?

OPEN: Internet - Anything goes, any frame rate, "film look" filter, MB, etc. What you see is pretty much what you get.

STRICT: Film Out - Lots written on this subject. Best shoot with 16:9 adapter 24pa with very specific settings, no post filtering, etc.

Anything in between those is going to be personal taste and preference and requirements.


John G.
 
TheatreGuy said:
And finally, I thought that I saw a post from Brandon that he agreed with the squeeze method (and I like the footage of Ransom so I chose that route). (Brandon, I am wondering if I am correct and you have since changed your plan or am I mistaken altogether?)
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Well. If I said squeeze in any reference it was a post process of squeezing the footage after cropping. Thereby creating a 16:9 file. I actually have a DVX-100 (non-a or b) so I don't even have the option of squeeze mode. Therefore, I shoot in 4:3 and crop in post to 16:9, then I "squeeze" the footage and render a 16:9 file... Hope that makes sense. Sorry, if I led you to think something different. I am happy you're pleased with your results in squeeze mode :thumbsup: Whatever works, works... there is no perfect way.
 
Thanks Brandon. I really won't have an opportunity to know what pleases me until I have shot a few more things.

Thanks for commenting.
 
I'd like to see a comparison of the two. I'm waiting on my deck & more tapes or I'd do it myself.

If no one posts a comparison, I'll have one up by the end of the week.
 
Rubix³ said:
If no one posts a comparison, I'll have one up by the end of the week.
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Cool! Looking forward to seeing it. I did one (using 16:9 squeeze, 4:3 cropped and 4:3 full frame) and I didn't notice any difference. I'd like to test further with different lighting conditions and different focal lengths. But right now, I am just trying to work on this horrorfest entry!!!
 
TheatreGuy said:
Cool! Looking forward to seeing it. I did one (using 16:9 squeeze, 4:3 cropped and 4:3 full frame) and I didn't notice any difference. I'd like to test further with different lighting conditions and different focal lengths. But right now, I am just trying to work on this horrorfest entry!!!
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I'm reading a lot of threads that agree with you.

It seems like there's pros and cons to both. If you shoot in squeeze mode you don't have the available manipulation options as you would in taking care of 16:9 in post.

See these threads:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=683371
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=6843
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=70313
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=69459

Might be best for a newbie (like me) to shoot in squeeze first off, then take care future shoots in post.
 
TheatreGuy said:
As for Gabin's question... congrat on your new camera. The setting is in the menu selections. Press Menu and the second item down (after scene settings is camera settings. You can change your mode there.)

Looking forward to the discussion here!

Ted
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Thanks Ted!

Looking forward to it. I'm gonna film in 16:9 squeeze mode like you suggested, but thats just because I'm not that experienced in final cut yet.

Horrorfest, Gonna be the first movie I make baby! Im sure itll suck, but hey itll be a great learning experience.

now i just gotta learn how to light a completely pitch black environment.

cheers,

Gabin
 
Gabin said:
Thanks Ted!

Looking forward to it. I'm gonna film in 16:9 squeeze mode like you suggested, but thats just because I'm not that experienced in final cut yet.

Horrorfest, Gonna be the first movie I make baby! Im sure itll suck, but hey itll be a great learning experience.

now i just gotta learn how to light a completely pitch black environment.

cheers,

Gabin
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Hey Gabin, glad you got my note here. I imagine that you have a dvx100b, right? Because my suggestion is based on the fact that the 100b presents the image correctly while recording. (From what I understand the 100a shows the image all "squeezed" until it is captured into your editing program.)

As for your first movie, that is great man! I am in the same boat. I have shot tons of video, recording weddings, recitals, theatre productions and such. But this is my first movie! I am so excited about it. And don't worry if your sucks. Really. You have to get the first one out of the way and learn all of the skills that you will need to do better on the next. Are you entering in Horrorfest? If so, please post your title so I can look for it!

And as for lighting, if you like describe what you are trying to do. I would love to give some help if I can and you might get ehlp from others!

Good luck!

Ted
 
Rubix³ said:
I'm reading a lot of threads that agree with you.

It seems like there's pros and cons to both. If you shoot in squeeze mode you don't have the available manipulation options as you would in taking care of 16:9 in post.

See these threads:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=683371
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=6843
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=70313
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=69459

Might be best for a newbie (like me) to shoot in squeeze first off, then take care future shoots in post.
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Yeah, I agree. And thanks for the thread referrals. There are a ton of them! (I, too, am a newbie and have learned SO MUCH on this site!!!)

Here is two more threads that are the ones that made me go with squeeze...
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=35291&highlight=mode+letterbox+squeeze
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=29533&page=1
 
rock on... this thread has helped me a ton. -- shooting 16:9 squeeze seems to be the answer. i will try this! thanks to everyone for your help!!
:beer:cheers! -kyle
 
Hey is anyone else using Instant HD with FCP to uprez to 16x9? It doesn't seem to be doing anything for me, ie it looks like crap. In final cut, when I click the filter off and on I see no difference in the image, even with the most extreme settings.
 
PP 1.5 here as well. I also enjoy shooting in squeeze mode, I can get a better idea of how I want it framed. I may be thick headed or something, I just cannot picture how the final product will look doing 4:3. And yes it is one additional step I would rather not deal with later.
 
We shot 4:3 blocked 2.35:1 and are cropping in post. But its still .9 pixel aspect ratio and I'm unclear as to whether we can submit that. If they want us to uprez to "true" 16:9 (1.2 pixel aspect ratio) then I guess we'll have to uprez.

Aside from Photozoom Pro and Instant HD, what are some plug-ins or other techniques you are aware of that might work?

Thank you for your time.
 
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