Correct me if I'm Wrong, but I am going with the 60D over the GH2

Jean Dantes said:
With 2x crop, wouldn't your 30mm become a 60mm on the AF100/GH2?
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No, because I am using a 7D, which is APS-C which is the same size as the t2i and the 60D. So what I am used to on my 7D will translate REALLY well to the AF100/GH2. And that's what matters to me. Also of interest to me is the GH2 in tele mode. This is a crop from the center of the sensor. Sometimes I have situations where a long zoom would be good and this might be a great solution to get fast long zoom. It's just an added feature.
 
Okay, I'm a little confused. I own a 7D with a Sigma 30mm F1.4, and it becomes a 48mm after 1.6x crop (giving me a FOV of what a 50mm would be on a FF sensor). Now, since the AF100/GH2 has a 2x crop, wouldn't that 30mm lens you got simply become a 60mm (35mm equiv)?
 
Jean Dantes said:
Okay, I'm a little confused. I own a 7D with a Sigma 30mm F1.4, and it becomes a 48mm after 1.6x crop (giving me a FOV of what a 50mm would be on a FF sensor). Now, since the AF100/GH2 has a 2x crop, wouldn't that 30mm lens you got simply become a 60mm (35mm equiv)?
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Well that is because you think in terms of full frame 35, which is more of a photography standard. I think in terms of S35 which is more of a motion picture standard. Compared to full frame, almost. The AF100/GH2 actually has about a 1.9 crop when comparing video mode and NOT still mode. Panasonic has extra pixels on the left and right side to maintain the same diagonal distance when in 16:9 mode. What I am giving you is that if I use a 30mm lens on my 7D, if I use a 25mm lens on my AF100 (or a GH2) I'd have the same FoV.
 
You're filming 16:9? Then the GH2 is a 1.85 crop. Sorry to be a broken record, but 2.0 crop is getting old.
 
Ahh, I see. So you'll be using a 25mm on you AF101/GH2 - I get ya now - thought you were gonna be using your 30mm.
 
I wouldn't mind buying a GH2. Currently deciding between it and a 60D - too bad GH2's are non-existent in Australia.
 
Jean Dantes said:
Ahh, I see. So you'll be using a 25mm on you AF101/GH2 - I get ya now - thought you were gonna be using your 30mm.
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Yep! Before I decided to order an AF100, I did all the math to make sure I was comfortable with the crop of the AF100/GH2 compared to the 7D and I certainly am. It's a shame it can be so difficult to get these cameras at a store and test them both at the same time. I was lucky enough to try out my 7D before I purchased it so I knew what I was getting into (and I was making sure the video worked better than the D90 I had which was HORRIBLE). :)
 
An example of using the EX Tele-Con mode on the GH2:

http://vimeo.com/17525299

That's some pretty neat footage IMO. It just gives you more possibilities in what you can do with the camera. (And, when using this mode, moire and aliasing should be almost non-existent given the crop pixels will be together and in the realm of what the OLPF is tuned for.
 
Yeah, I'd definitely love to get my hands on a GH2 in Sydney, but they are literally non-existent. Might have to bite the bullet and just get a 60D as my second camera. I don't really mind. Just need them to hold me over until the 5D Mark III comes out. If Canon puts a FF sensor in that (even though I personally prefer S35) with the sensitivity of a 1D Mark IV sensor, and a Digic V processor to boot - I'm gonna buy two of them!
 
I think the 60D and GH2 are the wrong cameras for a law firm. I'd urge you to get a proper videocamcorder with some basic lights and a mic. It's the proper thing to do. Law firms don't need cinematic video. They need basic, standard, run of the mill video that can be presented as evidence or research or so they can show due diligence, nothing more. The last thing you want to do is have to tell some lawyer and the client you screwed up the case because you're gee-whiz super-cinema camera didn't properly record the deposition, testimony etc.

Just a good example, what if they ask you to record a deposition? Do you know how long depositions can take? A lot more than 12 minutes. The last one I recorded took 4 hours and I arranged with the lawyer to take breaks every 45 minutes so I could change out the tape. Other depositions I've recorded took 3 full 8 hour days.

One more thing you may be thinking ... Why don't I use flash media or a hard drive? Because I need the tape for backup, no if, ands, or buts. And I don't want to be swapping out media mid-recording because I might once again screw up and/or disturb a very important and emotional event.

So please, I'm urging you, please re-think your camera choices.
 
Michael Wisniewski said:
I think the 60D and GH2 are the wrong cameras for a law firm. I'd urge you to get a proper videocamcorder with some basic lights and a mic. It's the proper thing to do. Law firms don't need cinematic video. They need basic, standard, run of the mill video that can be presented as evidence or research or so they can show due diligence, nothing more. The last thing you want to do is have to tell some lawyer and the client you screwed up the case because you're gee-whiz super-cinema camera didn't properly record the deposition, testimony etc.

Just a good example, what if they ask you to record a deposition? Do you know how long depositions can take? A lot more than 12 minutes. The last one I recorded took 4 hours and I arranged with the lawyer to take breaks every 45 minutes so I could change out the tape. Other depositions I've recorded took 3 full 8 hour days.

One more thing you may be thinking ... Why don't I use flash media or a hard drive? Because I need the tape for backup, no if, ands, or buts. And I don't want to be swapping out media mid-recording because I might once again screw up and/or disturb a very important and emotional event.

So please, I'm urging you, please re-think your camera choices.
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Thanks for the input... its very kind of you and I totally agree with you when it comes to depositions. Shooting depositions is how I got offered this full time job. I have been shooting depositions for them for about a year using an hv30 (my own). In the case of shooting a deposition, I will use that camera. What they are actually hiring me for is online commercial ads (for example, one of the attorneys owns about 40 acres and has cattle- we will be going out to his ranch and doing a 3-4 minute little shoot of "i am just a cowboy like you" type stuff). that is why i am interested in the DOF. and the no file limit of the GH2 is certainly something that could warrant its purchase over the 60d...
 
well i started this thread with full intentions of going with the 60d but that has changed... the autofocus feature and no recording time limit have prevailed as items that i consider "must haves" for the line of work i am being hired to do. i am still confused as all get out on what to do about lenses, but that gives me the next thing to research i suppose (perrone you may want to chime in here lol).
now, where can i find a gh2 in stock? lol
i just started a new thread over in the GH1 section "Why I Ultimately Had to go with the GH2"
 
The two m4/3 lenses that I am actually looking at are the 25mm F0.95 and the 20mm F1.7 pancake lens. Both of these are pretty intriguing. Other than that, I like what I have.
 
that 25mm f.95 is $1200 right? pretty sure I'd get killed even asking if I could spend that (by my employer at work or my wife at home)... maybe down the road a bit
 
"The ONE issue that I will agree with you is on lenses. When I pre-ordered my AF100, I had the same thoughts as you. I have a plethera of Canon lenses that I love that have no manual controls. The one saving grace is that birger is about to release an electronic mount that will allow Canon lenses work on the AF100/GH2 by translation of their electronic signals. This was the win for me."

Any idea on the name of that adapter? I'd like to read up on it a bit... when is its release date and what will the cost be?
 
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