Corrado Part II

Disclaimer: I have not seen Corrado/Bad Ass, so I'm not responding to critiques or anything like that.

lionelhutz said:
And yet, everybody seem to celebrate the fact that Adam managed to get the money and financing to make yet another film.
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Simply because we like to celebrate the success of fellow filmmakers that we've come into contact with. I get what you're saying, no one celebrates Uwe Boll's ability to fund feature after feature. The difference is that he didn't start a thread on DVXuser telling all about his first feature film.

Nobody seems to care the final result is so unsatisfactory and frankly amateurish. We are on a film making forum, but go on IMDb and check the user reviews.
I doubt those people are into matte boxes, Nd filters and Sliders like us. However they all singled out how the film was technically sub-par.
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I don't think it's that nobody cares, I think it's that people want to see success, and again he gave a lot of information about his adventure to this forum. It was entertaining, some people learned from it, I think a few got inspired. So, I think people care, but sometimes that gets put aside in favor of cheering on your peers.
How can someone make a film so amateurish with that kind of budget, I'll never know.
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Don't take this personal, please don't, but if you don't know how that could happen then perhaps you don't work enough. I know, and none of this is a surprise to me.
Maybe Adam is a genius when it comes to finding funds but he's simply not a very talented writer/director.
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We all have to be something. To Adam's credit, he's admitted elsewhere that he may not be that director/writer, but he CAN make money, and that's what he wanted to do. He's achieved his goal.
It seems like the fact that Adam got Tom Sizemore and managed to get a crew together was enough for LA producers to convince them he was worth another film (with an even bigger budget). The fact that he made a horrible film wasn't even a factor in their decision. And that's sad, and maybe explain the sorry state american cinema is in these days.
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That's how it's always been. Again, if this is coming as a surprise to you, then I would recommend more research. Although I do recognize that you're not a part of the same region, I can't imagine that everything coming out of European territory is award worthy.

It's also disturbing for me seeing how most users around here celebrate Adam simply because he did it and managed to break into the system.
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Well, the reality is that many people talk and do not do. Many peopl criticize and have never done (not saying this is you, just a reality). So applauding those that do? Can't be that harmful. He did something that a lot of filmmakers want to do.

The guy made a horrible film, does quality not count anymore ?
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Of course it counts, but it depends on what you want to do. He's not out to win any prestigious awards.

But turning out a product of that technical quality given the budget is inexcusable.
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This sounds really odd to me, because it happens, it will continue to happen, and it's no surprise at all. Again, I can't imagine that everything coming out of your region is gold and posies?

Maybe everybody here is just interested in becoming a 'professional' as in someone who makes money making films.[/qutoe]

Most of us, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. There's nothing wrong with being paid to do what you really want to do. Or, at least not to most people on this planet.

But I'd rather make 10 films that make no money whatsoever and be proud of the final result than have steady work and live like a king in my mansion knowing I'm contributing to saturate the market with the filmic equivalent of junk food.
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Would you get beyond film number one if they made no money whatsoever? I guess if you're already wealthy and there's no one to pay back it wouldn't matter much. Maybe it's American Cinema, but if you aren't making money then you aren't getting another budget to do it again. And, on that note, why would you continue to waste money on each one?

If they made no money, then clearly there aren't enough people that want to watch them to justify what you're doing.

Mostly on how something that cost so much turned out to be so bad and how quality doesn't seem to matter when it comes to breaking in Hollywood.
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It matters, and then it doesn't matter. Maybe that is how "American Cinema" is, but being surprised about how it turned out? First feature film, technically low budget, if you were expecting more I wager that you've just not been paying attention to the "craft" as a whole.
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lionelhutz said:
The moment you cast a friend or a relative in a leading role, they stop being your family and friends and they become part of the cast. So when it comes to the movie, I'm not talking about Adam's wife, but leading lady Candace Elaine.
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Then there's no need to point out that his wife had the lead role. IF you're just talking about the Leading Lady. It's completely unnecessary. You keep restating the point, which leads us to believe that it's not just about the acting, but something you've got a personal issue with.

So if I'm accused of implying there might have been some nepotism there, I guess I'm guilty.
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In what walk of life does nepotism get thrown out of the club? It's everywhere.

But the point of my post was to start a debate about the state of Hollywood and how to break in.
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That's pretty simple: be a doer, not a talker.

This film shows that if you know enough rich people and are very good at getting actors (and Adam as a producer did an outstanding job) then it doesn't matter if you can deliver a good film or not. The doors are still going to open.
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This is the movie that brought you to that conclusion? As an ex-film critic, I'd think that you'd run into something much earlier than this that explained this semi-truth away. Anyone what does research should already know this.

I know this film gave the opportunity to Adam to make an even bigger budget film, and that what is disturbing in a way to me.
The fact that this film turned out to be so bad didn't really prevent the director to find another film to shoot next, with more money to boot.
I'm not judging Adam's choice or career path here.
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But, it sounds like you are. At least to me.

Corrado also tells us that money doesn't necessarily make your film look our sound professional either.
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Something else that really isn't surprising. Although Adam's budget wasn't actually "big", it's just more than most people's around here. Still, it's hard for me to believe that this movie is the example for you.

Forgive me again for my bluntness but I'm on a forum where people normally critics all the technical aspects of a camera and spend hours debating about overexposed shots in short films made by penniless film students.
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There's a difference between blunt and offensive.

This is a big budget (for our standards) film made by a professional crew. I don't think it needs any sugarcoating.
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Big budget by User standards, pennies by major motion picture standards. No one's telling you that it has to be sugar coated, just self moderated. You don't think Adam chose his leading lady properly, cool. Constantly going on about it being his wife definitely comes off as some sort of personal vendetta.

I also used to work as a film critic and confronted personally big name directors in various press conferences. If I get 'moderated' again, I guess it means I'm not 'Hollywood' enough maybe.
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I don't know of any successful film critics that use people's personal details (marriage to actors etc) when doing a critique. How many reviewers trash the Resident Evil movies? How many of them mention that the leading lady is married to the director?

But fellow filmmakers, do we really just want to work in movies so bad it doesn't matter anymore if the films we make are good or not ?
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Maybe. TO some, it may not matter and just getting out of their nine to five and into something they really want to do is all that matters.
Film is an art, and maybe I just see it like that because I'm European...
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Well, you know your stand on motion picture. If it's an art to you, go and make art, put your art up for other people to judge like Adam did, show us what kind of artist you are. If you aren't a critic anymore, are you a filmmaker? In these two posts you've certainly crossed the line from audience member being unhappy with their purchase to filmmaker not liking what another filmmaker's done.

So, where's your work?
but, to use film only as a mean to put (a lot of) bread on the table is very limitative.
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For a lot of us, it's not just art, it's business. To me, judging someone because they'd like to profit from their work is a bit self-important.[/quote]
 
It seems to me that the main problem is people here haven't watched Corrado.
Come on guys, you've been following this thread for months and you are not curious to watch the final result ?
Or the fact that Adam got a bigger gig is enough for you to to consider the film a success regardless.
I would really hope people watched (and paid for) the movie, so that we could debate about the merit of the film itself rather than everything else about it.
As I said I have nothing against Adam, he wrote an extensive and engaging production diary and like most people I got hooked.
Just like I did when I first watched the three season of 'Project Greenlight' I couldn't wait to check the final result out.
I was rooting for the film success as well but it was simply too disappointing.
And I want to stress yet again I'm not talking about subjective qualities like story etc.
But on a budget of that kind I would expect at least a competent film.
Maybe it's because I'm used to review high profile films, but honestly I really don't know how someone with that kind of budget can turn out something so amateurish.
I'm probably naive then. And I'm not being sarcastic.
How can a post production facility mess up the color correction so badly for instance ?
Did they just pocket the money and then did CC in 5 minutes ?
To be fair I've seen my fair share of awful films, but they were all competently made.
Corrado was not, and that was strikes me as odd.
So if you do know what went wrong Kholi, please do tell me. Because I'm baffled.
The budget was pretty low for your average action film, but more than enough to at least guarantee a polished enough final product.
You mentioned Uwe Boll.
They guy is universally hated and yet his films technically are much much better than Corrado.
I really wish you would watch the film, as I don't think that point can be argued.

Adam definitely achieved his goal, if his goal was to make a bigger film afterwards.
And he proved to be a kick ass producer. I would hire him to produce a film tomorrow, as he showed us how driven he is. And he gets things done.
That's something we can all agree on.
But he was also the writer/director of this film.
As a producer Adam was the man.
As a writer, that's probably debatable and very subjective. So I'm not going to go into that.
Bus as a director, the final result was too embarrassing.

I know that not only in the States but pretty much everywhere else, it's all about getting money. Making a successful film is what is all about.
As far as I know and as far as Adam told us 'Corrado' didn't even make its money back and he had to repay his investors out of his pocket.
So let me rephrase it then.
It's disturbing to me that someone who makes a film so embarrassing (on a technical level) and which is also a commercial failure, gets to have a shot at making an even bigger film.
Why that happens ? I guess he showed he was confident on the set and he's good at talking to people.
Fair enough, kudos to him.
But for me, it's all about the final result.
And the final result was inexplicable to me.

I've seen on this very forum video reels being torn apart for being not professional enough, and then someone makes a film with a pretty decent budget and we're all suddenly quiet ?
Not everything coming out of Europe is award worthy, not everything coming out of anywhere is award worthy.
Heck, I'd say 90% of the films produced every year are really bad.
But at least the one that have some kind of budget are competently shot.
They look like movies, not like amateurish high school production.
Even Mumblecore films are technically better than this. No kidding.
If it wasn't for the big cast, you could show clips of Corrado to people telling them it was something you shot over the weekend with your friends.
And they would probably still give you loads of feedback on how to keep your camera steady, not overexpose etc. etc.

Many people criticize and never do, that's true.
Maybe I never shot anything or maybe I shoot things all the time.
Maybe my films are even worse than Corrado, and maybe I have an even bigger budget.
It doesn't matter and it's not relevant. The point I'm trying to make it's not: I can do better than this.
I might, or I might do worse.
Having a film out in the market and having people pay for it means you have to expect criticism. Even harsh criticism.
If he could choose I'm sure Adam would prefer a thousand people buy his movie and ***** about it, rather than leave it on the shelf and say nothing bad out of courtesy.
I'm grateful to Adam because he shared his experience with us.
Because of that I went ahead and ordered a copy of his films, like maybe other did.

I'm not bashing Adam for making a film that didn't turn out to be good.
I'm having issues with people ignoring the fact the film was so bad, almost as if it's not relevant.
And I'm also not saying that making money out of art is bad. On the contrary.
But making bad films just to make money is not very honorable either.
"Nobody sets out to make a bad movie".
I don't know about that... I know a lot of people (not talking about Adam) sets out to make mediocre films because they think they're easy to market and to write in a short time.
Are you telling me the guys who make Date Movie, Epic Movie etc.. are really doing their best to give us a quality product in their heart ?
Somehow I doubt that. And if they truly mean to make a good film, then maybe they should stop right now and reconsider their career.
But according to the same logic, Aaron Seltzer is the man because he keeps getting funding.
The fact that his movies are the anti-cinema shouldn't matter.
That's the debate I wanted to start.
Not the usual art vs. money..
But something more along the lines of 'At what point quality doesn't matter anymore ?"
You say that you don't know of any successful film critics that use people's personal details (marriage to actors etc) when doing a critique of a film...
Really? Really?
Remember the Godfather part III?
Coppola took a lot of crap from everybody for casting his daughter in a main role.
And for all the problems I have with Corrado, casting is actually quite good.
Acting might not necessarily be that great but I'd never felt they should have cast someone else.
Except for the leading lady.
The fact she's the director's wife might be a coincidence.
But when you make such choices as a director you know you're exposing yourself to criticism.
And unfortunately I don't think she did a very good job.
Should a critic not mention that because he might offend personally the author?
You tell me.
I didn't say anything bad about the person, just that her performance wasn't on par with the rest of the cast.
Duncan Jones (director of Moon) is clearly an example nepotism on a higher scale.
But it doesn't matter because he proved himself to be an excellent director.
And of course nobody ever criticized Giulietta Masina for acting in her husband's films.
She was amazing.
When you nail it, nobody is going to care who you're related to.
But when you fail, you got to expect to be criticized more for that reason as well.

Filmmaking is an art.
The fact that can be used to make art means that it is a form of art.
Can you use it simply to make commercial products ?
Of course!
Is it bad to profit or make a living out of making films?
Not at all, more power to you. No sarcasm here either!
But at what point money is the only single factor to consider when making a film ?

I am both a filmmaker and a critic.
But I write on this forum as part of the audience. I bought the film and expressed my thoughts based on what I read in the blog.
This 'show us what you've got or your argument is moot' doesn't work.
I never said I was better than Adam.
I make my own films, but in this context it doesn't matter.
Does it mean you sports fans can do better then the athletes you watch on tv?
Before you criticize a football player, you should make sure to prove us you can do better.
That's silly.
We are talking about pros here. And Adam worked on a professional film with a professional budget with high caliber actors/crew.
The final result was sub-par, and hence my criticism.
If he had shown us his home-movies or one of his student films I wouldn't have dared to criticize the guy.
In a way, having a guy like me ripping of the film is a way to legitimize Adam as a real 'director'.
 
lionelhutz said:
I am both a filmmaker and a critic.
But I write on this forum as part of the audience. I bought the film and expressed my thoughts based on what I read in the blog.
This 'show us what you've got or your argument is moot' doesn't work.
I never said I was better than Adam.
I make my own films, but in this context it doesn't matter.
Does it mean you sports fans can do better then the athletes you watch on tv?
Before you criticize a football player, you should make sure to prove us you can do better.
That's silly.
We are talking about pros here. And Adam worked on a professional film with a professional budget with high caliber actors/crew.
The final result was sub-par, and hence my criticism.
If he had shown us his home-movies or one of his student films I wouldn't have dared to criticize the guy.
In a way, having a guy like me ripping of the film is a way to legitimize Adam as a real 'director'.
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I read everything you said, and personally don't think it's worth debating so I'll leave it at that. However, this? Yes, this is worth debating.

You said you are a filmmaker and ex-critic. You put filmmaker before critic. You've gone beyond just criticizing Adam as an audience member, it's in filmmaker-on-filmmaker territory. So, no, it isn't moot. Right now, to me (as another filmmaker)--and take no offense because I would think the same of others, you are a talking head in a sea of other filmmakers that talk a lot.

I apologize if that seems offensive, truly, but that's just how I see it. Once someone steps over the line from audience member into filmmaker territory, claiming to know how things work, and professes being of the same ilk, at that point they should be ready to put up. Otherwise, I can't take that person seriously.

I don't play Football, don't even watch it, but if I did and had no other interest other than watching it, sure, criticism as an investor of my time in the sport would be fine. If I coached football or played, and I criticized with certain knowledge, then I'd better be ready to show for.

It certainly does matter, but if you take solace in the idea that it doesn't that's fine.

Again, once you transition from "this movie was bad" to "this director did a poor job with this budget, which I find hard to do." you've gone from audience member and critic to filmmaker with a strong opinion on how someone else did their work.
 
Well, we probably have to agree to disagree on this topic.
I don't want to move the focus on me because this is not the right contest.
On a different note, personally don't like to put my films online for people to watch (I'm really anal and I have issues when it comes to that, if it's not projected on a cinema screen I'd rather people not watch it at all).
Besides, if I showed you a film of mine now you would start to compare it to Corrado. Which wouldn't make sense.
You have to ignore that I might be a fellow filmmaker as well, because then it really becomes a contest. And that's not the point of my post.
I can honestly say that both as a critic and as paying customer (let's leave the filmmaker aside) I am baffled on how someone with a decent budget can produce something so amateurish on a technical level.
I'm not even judging other aspects of the film.
I also can't wait to check out your feature Superseeds, and I can see from the clips you posted that technically it looks like a real film. Much much better than Corrado.
And yet you had a ridiculous budget to work with.
Does it mean you're an amazing filmmaker ?
Probably. But film is more than simple execution, so we'll have to see the final film.
However the execution has to be competent at a certain level.
I don't think I've gone beyond just criticizing Adam as an audience member.
And I don't think it's in filmmaker on filmmaker territory.
Have I ever wrote 'I can do better than that ?'.
I tried to keep myself out of that as much as I could, as this has nothing to do with myself.
What if I wasn't a filmmaker at all.
Let's say I'm a film critic who has been on several film sets and is used to a certain degree of quality with much lower budgets?
Would it give me more or less credibility?
You see, if I was Scorsese in disguise you would all dismiss my post as a filmmaker who is way over his head and has no point into dissing other colleagues.
On the other hand if I was Tommy Wiseau in disguise, you would all laugh at my post and not take it seriously because my films are just as bad.
It's only by separating myself and my work that this post can work.
I'm judging the work of a professional filmmaker here and not a colleague who graciously gave me his stuff to watch for free.
Personally, I think there's a big difference.

And on a different note, you say you're not surprised that a budget like that can produce a result so technically bad. Do you know other examples? Or have any idea about what went wrong.
Because I'm also interested about how a post production facility (which charged 10k for CC If I'm not mistaken) could approve that final render.
 
I ordered the DVD, so there's another 22 bucks to someobody! Kholi makes some great arguments, and even if the movie Corrado is bad beyond repair, I'll still be hoping that my "bad" films will get me to a point where I don't have to shoot any more weddings, or events I could care less about for rent checks and go on making films I write and direct.

And, I'd have to disagree with lionelhutz, I wouldn't want to make ten GOOD feature films that go nowhere then one that is BAD and makes money and allows me to then make what I think and know would be a good one or even not, because in the end Adam is working with Hollywood budgets, and is making the films HE writes, which is awesome and I must say, inspiring.
 
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I also can't wait to check out your feature Superseeds, and I can see from the clips you posted that technically it looks like a real film. Much much better than Corrado.
And yet you had a ridiculous budget to work with.
Does it mean you're an amazing filmmaker ?
Probably. But film is more than simple execution, so we'll have to see the final film.
However the execution has to be competent at a certain level.
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I've had a lot of people close to me come down pretty hard recently about my inability to accept compliments. And, I'm almost banned from talking about my own feature. I guess what I can say is that I did what I could with the trailer. However, as a filmmaker, I am terrified of the personal attacks that I'll have to ignore once it hits the streets.

There've already been quite a few on random sites that picked up the trailer, it's not very awesome to have a fullblown troll watching what you do and commenting on your work.

On the other hand if I was Tommy Wiseau in disguise, you would all laugh at my post and not take it seriously because my films are just as bad.
It's only by separating myself and my work that this post can work.
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Well, the point I was trying to make is that Adam's work is out there to be criticized. It takes a lot of guts to put yourself in front of people, especially the internet where people can say what they want behind a computer screen and never have to face the reality of their words. If you did that, then maybe you'd approach the criticism a slight bit differently..

S'all I'm saying, But, hey! No harm no foul. xD
And on a different note, you say you're not surprised that a budget like that can produce a result so technically bad. Do you know other examples? Or have any idea about what went wrong.
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There are too many examples if you search for them. Check out Netflix, they're buying up this kind of stuff frequently.

Money doesn't guarantee good results, it just means you have more money to try and make them better. You already said that in your post, that's why I don't think this should be that big of a surprise.

And, to Adams' credit, there aren't a lot of people that can do better with that budget. Believe it or not.
 
Well, I'm glad my harsh criticism inspired you to buy the film!
Honestly I wished more people watched Corrado. I'm also surprised everybody seemed to love this thread yet so few people went ahead and bought a copy of the movie.

I think we all dream to being able to pay bills by doing what we like the most, in our case making films.
However I found ironic that you would rather do a bad film in order to have the chance to make a good one later.
In which world ten good films are worse than one bad and one good movie ?
I'd sign a pact to the devil now to have ten really good films in my filmography. Even if they went nowhere in terms of money.
I guess it's the romantic in me, but I'd rather touch people's hearts with my movies, rather than my own wallet.
But as I said, if money comes that's great. I just think there should be a point when you can't compromise quality for the dough anymore.
Anyway I don't know many directors who started making really bad films and then got around to actually making better and more personal stuff.
I know the opposite is true though. David Gordon Green anyone ? :)
I would probably agree to make a mediocre film I don't particularly care about if I was convinced that was the only way to make the movie I really want.
But I would never agree to make a terrible film, regardless of how many doors that would open.
Remember that your name is going to be forever associated to that film.
As for Corrado, looking forward to hear your opinion after you watched it!
 
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It takes a lot of guts to put yourself in front of people, especially the internet where people can say what they want behind a computer screen and never have to face the reality of their words. If you did that, then maybe you'd approach the criticism a slight bit differently..

S'all I'm saying, But, hey! No harm no foul. xD


There are too many examples if you search for them. Check out Netflix, they're buying up this kind of stuff frequently.

Money doesn't guarantee good results, it just means you have more money to try and make them better. You already said that in your post, that's why I don't think this should be that big of a surprise.

And, to Adams' credit, there aren't a lot of people that can do better with that budget. Believe it or not.
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It does take a lot of guts, however it's not like Adam put his movie out there for free.
It's available on amazon for a profit.
Which means it's out there for people to buy and criticize.
People criticize Michael Bay all the time and I've never heard anybody defending him because he has the guts to have the films out there.
My beef wasn't just with Adam, as it can't be just his fault the movie turned out to be that disappointing.
I'm really shocked that an expensive post production facility would mess things up so badly.
Especially when you can use free tools to color correct yourself nowadays.
I'm aware that there are a lot of films that are technically even worse than Corrado.
But they usually don't have an impressive cast like that, and I think they probably have a much lower budget.

And not sure I can believe your last quote! :)
I can see even from this forum that people manage to make no budget films all that time that blows Corrado away in technical terms.
Money should at least guarantee a certain professional level.
If it doesn't make your film look and sound at least acceptable, why bother spending money at all ?
Anyway if anything watching Corrado should convince people to mix and grade films on their own laptop!
 
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... Honestly I wished more people watched Corrado. ...
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At the time I was following Faith Granger's "Deuce of Spades" which I both watched and bought several copies to pass on to select folks I know in the industry who I felt needed to see it. She is also a dvxuser who had a large thread in our User Films section. If I ever get an inclination to watch Corrado or read through the entire thread then I will.
 
Success in this industry is a hard concept for many people because the term "success" is so subjective.

You can be successful by just completing a feature film.
You can be successful by making a little money on it (or just recouping your costs)
You can be successful by gaining industry interest in your film to make a second one.
You can be successful by learning from the mistakes from your first project.
You can be successful by sticking to your guns and weathering the criticism.

In my book......that makes this film a success 5 times over.

Regardless of what someone thinks of the final project.........is meaningless to what is determined to make a film be a success.

I have yet to see the film myself, but I always make my own judgements, because most film critics I have listened to I have found to be full of themselves. They say a film is bad, I go and see it, and I enjoy it. Films they say are the greatest thing since sliced bread.......I am bored to tears. So "film critics" in my book may know what they are talking about for their own sense of enjoyment, but they usually don't know mine. LOL, and most of them have a tendency to fluff up their own importance anyway.

LionelHutz, as a film-maker, do you have a feature film that you can share with me, that you shot? Your criticisms are harsh, so I would like to see your work for comparison. For me, like I said above....."film critics" don't hold a lot of water, but if you are also a film-maker.....let me judge your opinion off your own product.

Look, whatever problems you have with the film, fine. But in the grand scheme of things, he is doing what we all want to, and he is succeeding at it. Irrespective of your issues with it. Can't help but be a little proud of him and a tad bit jealous.........
 
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Anyone is free to form their own opinons; like I said, the film is available for "instant watch" on Netflix right now.

Here's what I take away from this -- Adam made this film. He told us exactly how he did it. And he told us how it has led to his success.

So if you honestly think you could make a better film -- you should, proportionately, reap even greater success.

You have the blueprint. You have been told step by step exactly what to do. And if you (anyone) honestly believe that Adam didn't have talent or skill or whatever, and that you could do so much better, then -- it should be EASIER for you to accomplish this same level of success.

So why aren't you doing it?
 
I must say, I agree with Barry and Doc. I have not seen Corrado, and it has nothing to do with money - Barry helpfully provided the netflix link, to his great credit (and I do have an account), but failed to note that money is not the only cost, there's also cost in time. My time happens to be limited on this earth. But a filmmaker has shared the process with us, in great detail. I for one appreciate it. It strikes me as pretty uncouth to write reams and reams of criticism without looking at that context. The other thing is that many directors first efforts are pretty flawed. Then they make the next one. Adam made a film that allowed him to make another one - that already is success. From what I understand, it's better than Corrado. So to attack his first effort, especially mixed in with personal attacks is pretty low. Who knows, maybe he'll keep improving artistically, maybe not, but that was not the point of this thread - the thread was created to show us the process of how he did it. Not many have done this - so for that alone, it has great value, and the artistic merits of the film ARE A SEPARATE ISSUE. Why mix these two? Unless you can show us that his process - as outline here - predetermined the artistic outcome, then you are totally off-topic. If you want to start a new thread "Corrado the film", go to the appropriate forum here where people are discussing films. And that is why you are surprised that more people are not watching Corrado and commenting, while tons and tons were reading and responding to this thread. It's because the outcome is not the issue here - it's the process, and that's what we are interested in. We need the tools, and everyone will make their own outcome, thank you very much. It's as if we are focusing on tools, that's one thing - then there's what you do with the tools, that's another. Don't mix up those two. Adam provided you with the process - and that is not invalidated by what he ultimately did with them... why are you ragging on the wrong thing? Can you prove that his process is wrong and led to a bad outcome? No? Cool then. Learn what you can and be grateful. Everyone's a critic.
 
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I guess the mods can move my posts to a 'Corrado': the review thread.
It wasn't my intention to criticize Adam's thread nor his modus operandi.
I was simply judging his final product and was suprised more people didn't actually watch the final film.
As for being a film critic and the fact that most film critics are way over the head. I'm tempted to agree with that.
However I wasn't criticizing the film for his artistic merit, it was more pointing out that a film with a pretty decent budget turned out to be so amateurish from a strictly technical point of view.
I already expressed why I might not be interested in sharing my own films.
That is irrelevant and I never compared myself to Adam or my films to Corrado.
So I don't see why in order to criticize a film I paid for I need something else to show for.
The movie is on netflix, so please do watch it and form your own opinions.
You might enjoy it, and I didn't think it was necessarily a boring film.
My issues again where with the technical aspects of it.
And it's great Adam shared his stories with us. I stressed that I enjoyed the thread and think he did a great job as a producer.
I still can't see personal attacks anywhere in my post, nor I consider it an attack to the movie.
I know this is a community but having your film out there in the wild for paying customers to see means you have to be ready to accept criticism.
I'm grateful for the post and I don't think I necessarily should follow Adam's steps.
As some other people mentioned he took a huge gamble and the movie probably didn't gain enough money back to repay his producers.
Also I might not have any interest in making an action direct to dvd movie.
Still, this proved to be the best way for Adam to make his films and I applaud him for that.
He managed to make the film the way he wanted for all I know and that's something I respect him for.
He also shared his experience with us, and for that probably a few more people are going to see Corrado as well.
However that doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my opinion about the film.
Some of you harshly criticized the raw footage he put online a couple of years ago.
I'm simply writing what I think about the dvd I paid for.
I never said I think Adam didn't have talent, simply that this film doesn't show any talent behind the camera.
I expressed my doubts many times on the color correction guy and the audio designer.
Certainly not Adam's fault.
I'm interested in exploring exactly what went wrong and if getting another feature done is enough of an accomplishment when the first feature is a failure.
If you watch the film and think I'm way off target and technically there was nothing wrong with it, then I guess I apologize.
But so far everyone here he's just telling me to cool off because Adam was so nice to share his experience. He was very nice indeed, but that doesn't mean I should necessarily not be honest about what I think of the film.
Thanks for the link Barry.
Hopefully more people will watch the film now and we can all agree that's something Adam would be happy about.
And I stand firm on the idea that I don't need to show a film of mine to have the right to express my thoughts on a film I bought online.
It's not like I'm came to your house uninvited and started to diss your garden.
Because I paid for the film I feel there's nothing wrong in some healthy criticism.
If I'm in any way out of line, please let me know.
And yeah, probably Corrado was a success because it enabled Adam to make more films.
But it wasn't my point. I simply think Corrado the final film was a failure on a technical side.
I'm starting to repeat myself, but I really don't have anything against Adam!
 
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