Contest Delivery Requirements

this was just a little pre-info for people that actually understand what the hell they are doing.. the actual upload page will have more specific requirements.

We arnt gonna hold your hand though... i mean if you dont know how to make a mpeg2 file then you should really figure it out because its kinda an important thing to know.

Your files should be around 200+mb... this should be no problem for normal people to upload in a few hours.
 
Thanks...you could help me stand out from these crowds of incompetents by giving me the title "a normal guy" under my name :happy:



Edited to add:

Sweet!!! Thanks :thumbsup:
 
Jarred Land said:
this was just a little pre-info for people that actually understand what the hell they are doing.. the actual upload page will have more specific requirements.

We arnt gonna hold your hand though... i mean if you dont know how to make a mpeg2 file then you should really figure it out because its kinda an important thing to know.

Your files should be around 200+mb... this should be no problem for normal people to upload in a few hours.
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Yeah, it's no problem creating an MPEG2 file. That's what you make flippin' DVD's from. Don't you all make DVD's?
 
Well, no, actually. Not usually. And the few occasions when I did, it was just a matter of selecting the Main Concept preset then sending it off to DVD Arch.

But why should we know how to make DVDs? If I wanted DVDs made, I'd send the tape off to a pressing house. (And if they wanted anything done first to it, they tell me. In detail.)
 
Oh, well, I guess I'm an exception then. I make a lot of DVD's and have continually tried to find the best settings to retain the most quality for the film. I think with a little online research most everyone can figure it out.
 
briceman said:
Oh, well, I guess I'm an exception then. I make a lot of DVD's and have continually tried to find the best settings to retain the most quality for the film. I think with a little online research most everyone can figure it out.
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Sure they can.

But this isn't for DVD delivery (at least not at first). It's for web streaming. There's a difference.
 
Right, but I'll use the same method of compressing an MPEG2 for this as I would for a DVD (except I'll use a program stream instead of an elementary stream). It'll retain the quality I'd have on a DVD, while being self-contained(audio in the same stream as the video).
 
I tried this morning and mine comes in at 255mb and between 5.5 >8 M bitrate with 3o sec of footage left to add so I'm OK ...
Don't know about MPEG 3 though for audio, mine compresses audio at MPEG 2 .
Now if I did DIVX , the MPEG 3 is a go..

Tried creating another WMV file this morning and perfect ...55 mb with 30 sec of footage to add .

Ian
 
at what time will the upload screen become available, and at what time is the cut off for uploading the films?
 
Here's what I'm understanding by what Jarred's said in this thread:

Just render your files out, as you would for DVD, by doing a MPEG2 WITH audio, simply instead of having a seperate AC3 file. He's estimating for a 6 minute movie, that it'll be around 200+ MB in size. So, for those of you who are still questioning the 60MB maximum for WMV, QT, etc. forget about it. You won't be submitting those.

We'll send in the MPEG2's, with stereo audio encoded into the file, which they'll not only use for the DVD's (saves us cost, additional time, etc.), but they'll use those for batch rendering out for the streaming files, which I'm assuming is going to be FLASH, based on what he said about the new quantum server, streaming, protecting the work, etc.

The downside of the streaming is that we won't be able to load the films onto our laptops, etc. to watch later (so I'll have to buy a wireless router to put in my house now :evil: :thumbsup: ), it'll also make it interesting for those of us who want to watch the film several times before judging ... as it may make it difficult to pull the same film up before judging ... I'm not sure. On the flip side, it's a smart business decision, due to the fact that if people can't DOWNLOAD the films, they'll be more likely to want to buy a DVD set when it's all done.

Also, as far as the generation loss from MPEG2 to another format (i.e. FLASH), I don't think it'll be very noticeable. While there is SOME loss, I've done it before from MPEG2 to WMV, etc. an the loss is not that much & fine to live with. If nothing else, I've noticed the re-render tends to be a bit darker, with more crushed blacks, etc.

Dan, you were asking how to do this in VEGAS. When you go to render, select the DVD Architect 24P NTSC Widescreen Video Stream option. Then go into custom, then audio, and simply select INCLUDE AUDIO STREAM. That's it.
 
Jarred, hopefully with your VEGAS background, you can answer this one:

When rendering out to MPEG2 in Vegas, the user has the option under CUSTOM, VIDEO, to select the OUTPUT TYPE with a drop down box. It defaults to DVD, which the help section states is a DVD Compatible MPEG2 file, but one of the other options is MPEG2, which the help file states as "General MPEG2 video".

Which would you want us to select? I don't see how there'd be much of a difference, but I'm guessing the DVD one would be best for the DVD, and the MPEG2 option would be best for anything else, such as rendering for web delivery, etc.

Thoughts?
 
Thanks Jarred

Thanks Jarred

Thanks,

My mpeg2 came in at under 200mb so I'll await the upload instructions.

Good Luck everybody. Can't wait to see all the films.

Kip
 
THX-1138 said:
Thanks,

My mpeg2 came in at under 200mb so I'll await the upload instructions.

Good Luck everybody. Can't wait to see all the films.

Kip
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If your mpeg2 came in at under 200mb, either your short is around 3 minutes long or you aren't encoding at 8mbits. You may have to rerender at an average of 8mbits.
 
Envision said:
Dan, you were asking how to do this in VEGAS. When you go to render, select the DVD Architect 24P NTSC Widescreen Video Stream option. Then go into custom, then audio, and simply select INCLUDE AUDIO STREAM. That's it.
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That's what I'm doing until told differently.

But what about setting it to 8MB average? Then set the max to 9.8MB? Or leave the Max at 8MB, too? (That'd make it CBR-ish, wouldn't it? If the average and the Max were the same?)

Too many damn variables in there. I'm not concerned about the ability for the DVD to be made, but wonder what the streaming software would like best.

And, just for fun, should we apply a Broadcast Safe filter to the render? Or leave it webable and they'll safe it before burning the DVD?
 
OOH, good question on the broadcast safe ... Jarred?

I'm also unsure about the 8MB average question, as far as how best to achieve it. You could either select CONSTANT bit rate, then plug your own number in, since the drop down defaults don't included that selection, or change all the variables to within around what you want.
 
pastywhiteboy said:
If your mpeg2 came in at under 200mb, either your short is around 3 minutes long or you aren't encoding at 8mbits. You may have to rerender at an average of 8mbits.
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I guess I thought I had this thing licked.

In FCP when making a mpeg2 file you have two choices Target Bitrate and Max Bitrate when I put Target Bitrate to 8 my file jumps to around 384mb.

Do i just crank that down until I hit 250mb - ish?

Again, I have never dome this before. I usually use Comprossor to make my mpeg 2 files and a seperate audio file which I assemble in DVD Studio Pro.

Any FCP people out there who can set me strait?

Kip
 
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