Colour Degrading?..

Dmitry Kichenko

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Hi everyone.

I'm helping out a friend with a film of hers. To make it more challenging, I decided to colour correct each shot in Shake seperately, soften it up and add film grain. The footage was captured to a 30i NTSC project in Avid Xpress Pro, then using the reference files deinterlaced in AE with Magic Bullet, exported lossless, and then imported into Shake for post-processing. The corrected footage was then exported lossless again, therefore not downgrading the footage in any way so far.

Knowing that I now must re-encode the corrected footage, instead of going with DV25 which will certainly degrade the quality, I went with the DV50 codec to preserve as much information as possible. Overall this encoding routine has had be irritated for quite a while now, but only today I discovered an odd bug.

When I export a sequence with the colour corrected footage as a reference file from Avid and open it in QT, the colours don't appear the way I see them in Avid. They look clamped up as if the footage was re-encoded with a DV25 codec, which is not the case since the reference file is pointing to the OMFI DV50 files. However, if I export into a new lossless file from Avid, so that the DV50 footage is reencoded back into lossless as a self-contained QT file, the colours look right.

I have no idea why this is happening. When I go to the properties of the exported reference file, I can see that the bitrate is 50mbit which is what it is.

Has anyone had this issue? This really makes me want to switch to Final Cut or back to Premiere. As far as I remember, both can work with video files directly, so I can edit using the original lossless colour corrected QT files. The files have crazy bitrates, but at least I'll preserve the quality.

Thanks in advance.
 
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This is getting very strange. If I take the rendered out reference file an encode it into a MPEG4 file, the colours are fine! And if I render it out using Sorenson Video, which then looks a bit clamped with the blacks crushed, and re-encode the Sorenson file into MPEG4, it regains its colours again! It's as if the data was there but the DV50 and Sorenson codecs just didn't display it.

EDIT - Luckily enough, the blacks and highlights reappear when compressing the reference file with a MPEG2 codec. With DVD being my medium of distribution this should do for now. Still curious as to why the image doesn't look properly with DV50 though. Any thoughts?
 
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Possibly. I don't know the internal math of the codecs, but I thought both Sorenson and MPEG4 use RGB. Yet, I get dim colours with Sorenson Video 3 but true ones with MPEG4..
 
Another odd thing... When compressing to MPEG2 using the good old TMPGEnc with the QuickTime import plugin, the colours come out dim, once again. But if I use Sorenson Squeeze, everything is fine.
Could be that the TMPGEng plugin doesn't recognize some of the information that Squeeze does.
 
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