Cokin P Series Filter Holder System with ND Filters

KeithAndrews.TV

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I hadn't seen anyone thoroughly review these filter holders, or filters online, so I decided to write something up myself to help anyone else out there interested in this neat little system.

As with anything there are certain application where somethings work better than others, and for me I was looking for a quick, easy and cost effective way to use ND filters on the front of my lenses while shooting outdoors with my Canon 7D.

The Cokin filter holder system is a very inexpensive way to get into using filters for standard and creative purposes. There are a number of different sizes of filter holders and filters available, and typically depend on the size of lenses you are using as well as the size of filters you want to use.

The way the system works is very straight-forward and very effective. You start by choosing the size filter holder that will be large enough to cover the physical diameter of your largest lens and then choose the appropriate size adapter rings to attach to the lenses you want to use with the system. For most professional still photographers and videographers, the P Series should work just fine.

For lenses, I own the Canon EF-S 15-85, EF 50, and EF 70-200 lenses, all of which have different size front thread diameters. This would normally pose an expensive proposition for those looking to buy a filter like a polarizer, or neutral density, because you would have to own 3 different copies of each filter in order to use them on the different lenses. Not with the Cokin system. All you have to do is purchase the appropriate size adapter ring for each one of your lenses and then you will be able to use the one system and filter with every lens you own.

Now, the P Series filter holder with one adapter ring cost just a little more than $30, and like I said before, you only need one holder. Each additional adapter ring costs around $15. The ND filters which fit inside of the P Series holder cost less than $20. So, for my entire setup, which includes a standard P Series filter holder, a wide angle P Series filter holder, three adapter rings, ND .3, ND .6, and ND .9 filters, as well as a handy storage wallet (~$20) I spent right around $150 including shipping. Not too shabby. The wide angle holder is good for use with lenses below 20mm. I do not see any noticeable vignetting when using the wide angle filter holder with my EF-S 15-85 (24-136mm equivalent). Cokin also makes caps, hoods, and bellows that fit on the front of the holder.

As much as I would like to sit here all day and write about how great Cokin and their product line is, I do have one negative thing that I need to mention about the resin filters they produce for use with the holders. Before I get to that I do want to say that the resin filters have some very attractive characteristics about them including low cost, and durability. The resin filters are not glass, so they are light weight and will not shatter if you drop them. They are also very inexpensive, a relief in a world plagued by over-priced video accessories. All that being said, the filters are not perfect. My real world experiences and tests have shown that using the filters with long focal lengths, exactly what range I do not know, the images will suffer a slight loss of detail and what appears to be almost like a convergence issue with the light entering through the filter. They also have a slight purple, or magenta hue to them, so white balancing after placing the ND filters on is recommended. There may be some very slight loss of detail in general when using these resin filters, but from the wider shots I have taken, I do not notice a significant difference.

I have included some pictures with 100% crops demonstrating the issue. The images were all taken with the camera in full manual mode. I kept the aperture at f/8 and selected the appropriate shutter rate for proper exposure. There was no wind and I shot using a tripod, so there shouldn't be any influence from the exposure time difference. I let the camera auto focus once without the filter, took a picture and then switched the auto focus off for the following shot with the filter, so the focus should be identical between shots. I did not white balance between shots, this was to demonstrate the difference in hue when using the filters.

I was a little disappointed when I discovered this issue with the resin filters I own, but I am still very impressed with the system in general, as well as the total initial cost. I am going to be contacting Cokin to see if they have any explaination as to what I am experiencing with my ND filters, so look for my response very soon. In the meantime, there is one solution if you are not happy with the results you are getting from the Cokin resin filters, you can avoid them and spend the extra money on a higher optical quality glass filter from Cokin, Lee, or Tiffen. For those who are use to using 4" filters, you would be interested in the Z-Pro Series from Cokin. A bit more money, but will cover wider diameter lenses, and will use standard 4" filters.

For more information, you can visit the Cokin website:

http://cokin.com/ico15-A.html

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Cokin Series P Filter Holder System with Resin ND Filters

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Cokin Series P Filter Wallet

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Difference in thickness between standard and wide angle filter holders

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Canon EF 70-200mm with Cokin 77mm adapter ring

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Canon EF 70-200mm with Cokin Series P Filter Holder and 0.9 ND

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Canon EF-S 15-85mm with Cokin Series P Filter Holder and 0.9 ND

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Photograph taken at 70mm, f/8, with no filters

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Photograph taken at 70mm, f/8, with Cokin 0.9 ND

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100% center crop of 70mm photograph with no filters

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100% center crop of 70mm photograph with Cokin 0.9 ND

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Photograph taken at 200mm, f/8, no filters

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Photograph taken at 200mm, f/8, with Cokin 0.9 ND

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100% center crop of 200mm photograph with no filters

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100% center crop of 200mm photograph with Cokin 0.9 ND
 
Your experience here matches everything I've experienced with and read about Cokin filters. Clever holder, junk filters. Look into other manufacturers like Formatt or Lee, I think they are supposed to be notably better quality and I think they make filters that fit the Cokin system.
 
Yeah, that seems to be the concensus. Look to Lee or another manufacturer for higher quality glass filters, or just better filters in general. I was a little sceptical before I ordered them considering they were not glass, but hey, they're only 20 bucks a piece so no big loss. I may actually contact Cokin about returning them if I can't get them to work for me.
 
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Problem with glass is that the cokin holder's slots are so thin. You might only be able to find resin filters, such as Lee, that thin. Resin isn't inherently bad, it just scratches a lot easier.
 
What I've read about the issue with Cokin ND filters is that they're not true ND. Cokin decided to reduce costs by cutting corners, so the ND filters are actually just gray-colored filters. A true ND filter cuts light equally across all wavelengths. A gray filter just looks gray. It's a difference in engineering, I suppose...
 
I'm interested in going this route myself in lieu of a Vari-ND. Holding off until I do a bit more research. You know how there are white balance lens caps? Is there a white balance series P filter that can be used stacked on to the end of these NDs in order to easily counteract the color shift? I'm thinking of using the cheap series P NDs off of eBay until I can afford the HiTech ones, but I wonder, as Barry mentioned, if these other glass filters will fit in the Cokin holder.
 
I don't see how anybody could consider buying these filters after seeing those test shots. Blech.

Well, I just spent a significant amount of my budget on other necessities. Not to say that ND filters should be an afterthought. I was hoping to use cheap P NDs off of eBay for now and find a novel way of white balancing, perhaps with a cut down piece of white plexiglass inserted at the end of the filter chain while white balancing. I'd definitely upgrade to the HiTech or Singh-Ray filters once my budget opens up a bit again, provided they're designed to fit.
 
It isn't just a white balance issue though, compare those center crop images and you'll see a ton of softness. It seems to single handedly turn a decent lens into a piece of junk.
 
It isn't just a white balance issue though, compare those center crop images and you'll see a ton of softness. It seems to single handedly turn a decent lens into a piece of junk.

Oh, no doubt! But at $30 on eBay for the holder, adapter, 3 resin NDs, and a resin grad, I'm hoping I can live with the quality until I upgrade those filters. Or maybe I should take a pass on the whole thing until I can afford the Singh-Ray vari-ND. I dunno, I've been sitting on my hands for a while now in regards to a ND filter system.
 
Oh, no doubt! But at $30 on eBay for the holder, adapter, 3 resin NDs, and a resin grad, I'm hoping I can live with the quality until I upgrade those filters. Or maybe I should take a pass on the whole thing until I can afford the Singh-Ray vari-ND. I dunno, I've been sitting on my hands for a while now in regards to a ND filter system.

If you're itching to throw away 30 dollars on something, I'll gladly give you my paypal address. Otherwise, sit on it. There are also cheap eBay NDs (not fader) that screw on. My experience with these haven't been pro-quality great, but a hell of a lot better than these test shots. I'd say get a cheap ND8 for ~10 and save up.
 
That's some butt-ugly color shifting - and what do you do for flare control with those big, flat pieces of shiny plastic in front of your lens?

As for the sharpness issue - do the same tests with a video frame, not a still. See if there's much difference in that case. My guess is you'll see little or no effect on focus.
 
Get a compendium shade & buy some good quality 4x4 glass filters made by someone like Tiffen, Heliopan, B&W or Hoya.

Of course, that would cost more...
 
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