Well to me that covers about half the cameras on the market in one way or another. Maybe quirky sounds a little nicer.
Cinemartin goes bankrupt
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Well to me that covers about half the cameras on the market in one way or another. Maybe quirky sounds a little nicer.
NorBro
Major Contributor
It's nice but it's just a tool for me at this point in my life. All of these similar cameras are nothing special and they all end up looking the same in the grand scheme. I mainly bought it for the reliable AF for when shooting extremely shallow f/1.4-1.8 because people never get tired of shallow DOF.
I shot a project in LV and it went well, but I don't have any footage to share publicly.
I can take some for you if you'd like, but there are also tons of videos on YT too (as I'm sure you know).
Sadly I don't even shoot for fun anymore like I used to.
Maybe this will get the creative fun flowing again: https://nofilmschool.com/Robert-Rodriguez-Red-11-SXSW
John Brawley
Well-known member
My point earlier about bringing up the other failed cameras is that this isn't easy.
it's not easy to make pretty pictures that make cinematographers and image makers happy. The market is in fact really small for the kinds of expectations and demands we have.
I also think a lot of us think we're experts in design because we're users. We're not.
While the user experiences and input is always relevant and important, we are usually individuals and we all do things differently.
This is how we'd end up with a camera version of the Homer....
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer
The way I like to shoot is not the way others like to shoot.
JB
it's not easy to make pretty pictures that make cinematographers and image makers happy. The market is in fact really small for the kinds of expectations and demands we have.
I also think a lot of us think we're experts in design because we're users. We're not.
While the user experiences and input is always relevant and important, we are usually individuals and we all do things differently.
This is how we'd end up with a camera version of the Homer....
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer
The way I like to shoot is not the way others like to shoot.
JB
Mitch Gross
Veteran
Y’all think it’s so easy. It’s not. And Cinemartin is a good example of how terrible that notion is.
Many, many issues with Fran and Cinemartin in general. One being the idea that using a regular computer to drive a camera is a good idea. It’s not. Another issue is assuming you know better than everyone else and don’t have to care a bit what others might want. Again, not a great look.
Lastly, blaming people complaining about poor customer support as a reason for declaring bankruptcy and walking away with a new Lamborghini as you shut your doors (and don’t return any deposits) is real treat. There is no “upper management” at Cinemartin. The engineer/head of company is a cab driver who codes on the side. After screaming at anyone who would question his terrible work (but he won an award for a corporate expense app!), he’s going back to his taxi again, but there’s a Lambo in the mix. Good riddance.
Many, many issues with Fran and Cinemartin in general. One being the idea that using a regular computer to drive a camera is a good idea. It’s not. Another issue is assuming you know better than everyone else and don’t have to care a bit what others might want. Again, not a great look.
Lastly, blaming people complaining about poor customer support as a reason for declaring bankruptcy and walking away with a new Lamborghini as you shut your doors (and don’t return any deposits) is real treat. There is no “upper management” at Cinemartin. The engineer/head of company is a cab driver who codes on the side. After screaming at anyone who would question his terrible work (but he won an award for a corporate expense app!), he’s going back to his taxi again, but there’s a Lambo in the mix. Good riddance.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
I think BM deliver the best cameras they can.. and that is what has taken them from nothing to 'worth considering'
But I still dont have one as they have not eaten the FS7 yet!
Too heavy too slow and too late to market and too data heavy - for my needs
The 'pocket' yep thats a different story.. I think the design is awful - way too wide!
But I still dont have one as they have not eaten the FS7 yet!
Too heavy too slow and too late to market and too data heavy - for my needs
The 'pocket' yep thats a different story.. I think the design is awful - way too wide!
Take away patents, ego, and a quest for dominance over others (the driving force of big corporations), and building superior cameras (or anything) is easy. Look what mankind did in the 60's with rockets and the moon*. Apple's iPhones already have computing power that easily dusts all top of the line video cameras. Pair an iPhone with a big sensor and storage and we've got a tiny camera system that can blow away anything on the market and for the foreseeable future. Samsung (the other top phone maker) gave a brief demo of tech before its time with the NX1 (+H.265 over 3 years ago!). Samsung could easily produce the "AI Camera" I mentioned earlier, but they won't do it for the same reason the NX1 was dropped.
The biggest constraint for a small company to compete with the big boys is the inability to license the necessary tech to build something the big boys don't want built. If a small company develops their own tech without licensing from the big boys, they'll be blocked by patents. In the rare case they can get around the patents, they'll be given an offer they can't refuse to sell out / exit and the product(s) disappear and/or get absorbed into the Borg
So be happy with what's available now- even the Sony A6400 and Fuji X-T30 are vastly superior to even professional offerings just a few years ago. It's fun to imagine better cameras which overcome annoying limitations with current cameras- we'll get them when the Borg decides it's time to release them
* and that's only what's been shared publicly, the US government has had advanced electrogravitic tech likely since around 1947 (Roswell wasn't aliens- all the alien stories are cover). Here's an example of one of the US Navy's ("Space Force") toys: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/UFO-Navy-476912603.html (yeah, released by the Navy and DoD. Not aliens). This is what's possible with unlimited budgets and no constraints to the imagination of man. Going back farther in time: see the Great Pyramid of Giza and other megalithic construction around the planet (look beyond the mainstream science explanations- e.g. the Sphinx (and pyramids) are far older than the official story).
AndreeOnline
Veteran
In terms of non conventional camera companies, my top contender these days has to be DJI.
It looks like they're finally ready to ship their handheld X7 solution:
After downloading and playing with the X7 footage a while back, I've been curious to see when DJI would bring something like this and what it'd look like. A X7 (or X8) with an Inspire, a little DL-mount lens set with a few primes and maybe two zooms, plus this hand held solution looks interesting to me.
I'm pretty sure you could pack the Inspire system, the 'Product 330' (internal name for the sketch here), a monitor, a few batteries and media drives in a quite manageable, rolling bag. This is a system a solo operator could use (even if a crew might push it even further).
I'm hoping they make a splash with this around or before NAB.
It looks like they're finally ready to ship their handheld X7 solution:
After downloading and playing with the X7 footage a while back, I've been curious to see when DJI would bring something like this and what it'd look like. A X7 (or X8) with an Inspire, a little DL-mount lens set with a few primes and maybe two zooms, plus this hand held solution looks interesting to me.
I'm pretty sure you could pack the Inspire system, the 'Product 330' (internal name for the sketch here), a monitor, a few batteries and media drives in a quite manageable, rolling bag. This is a system a solo operator could use (even if a crew might push it even further).
I'm hoping they make a splash with this around or before NAB.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
In terms of non conventional camera companies, my top contender these days has to be DJI.
It looks like they're finally ready to ship their handheld X7 solution:
After downloading and playing with the X7 footage a while back, I've been curious to see when DJI would bring something like this and what it'd look like. A X7 (or X8) with an Inspire, a little DL-mount lens set with a few primes and maybe two zooms, plus this hand held solution looks interesting to me.
I'm pretty sure you could pack the Inspire system, the 'Product 330' (internal name for the sketch here), a monitor, a few batteries and media drives in a quite manageable, rolling bag. This is a system a solo operator could use (even if a crew might push it even further).
I'm hoping they make a splash with this around or before NAB.
Have definitely seen some very nice footage from the X7, this is interesting and definitely out of the box thinking. But where is the monitor or EVF?
Duck yeah! Make it waterproof and it’s sure to make a splash!
Comes in yellow and makes a quack sound when you press the shutter.
Exclusive audio feature: for two channel ambient + voice: automatic ducking.
It floats and includes propeller and rudder- DJI has air drone market covered, now working on water.
Authentic flipper propulsion optional upgrade.
Future upgrade: Yellow Submarine.
Exclusive audio feature: for two channel ambient + voice: automatic ducking.
It floats and includes propeller and rudder- DJI has air drone market covered, now working on water.
Authentic flipper propulsion optional upgrade.
Future upgrade: Yellow Submarine.
AndreeOnline
Veteran
I'm guessing you're supposed to bring your own monitor (maybe they'll gladly sell you one as a module?)—there will probably be enough mounting points for that. But the antenna in the back also suggests some wireless capability. I don't think this will be consumer priced, but in turn it might come with a few things out-of-the-box that other cameras require modules for.
The Inspire 2 + X7 comes it around 6400€. The Inspire 2 is part of the "brain" for the X7 so they go hand-in-hand. This new product will be an alternative "brain" for the camera gimbal and I'm guessing the price will be similar to the Inspire 2.
I like products that enable the user and it's attractive to be able to invest in camera/gimbal/lens set and then go from handheld to airborne pretty smoothly. I also think the lenses are pretty interesting in terms of size relative to sensor coverage.
Let's see what happens!
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Hi! How do i get the film look?
NorBro
Major Contributor
Add water.
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I thought it was by starting “vs” debates and responding sensational trolls until we end up saying how the story is the only thing that matters, and then say f it, if it doesn’t make money.... then go back to an IT job.
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Well, it ends up with us talking about a camera that looks like a duck.