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Aspect HD 5 doesn't seem to work in my After Effects CS3. Does anyone know how to make it work?
After Effects 7 didn't have any trouble importing avi's with a cineform compression.
 
Please work with tech support on this one. AE CS3 did some things CineForm doesn't like, however it can be made to work.
 
Hey David, I have a quick question. Is it possible to convert original MXF files to 720x576 footage, so I can edit on a computer which doesn't have Cineform codecs? Since my final edit will be a SD DVD anyway?
 
You can convert MXF P2 media to CineForm AVI at 720x576 if you like, the decoder is free so there is no reason not to use CineForm AVIs. If you are not converting to CineForm, you are using someone else's product.
 
I mean, my producer has Cineform, but it's only on his computer and I finally want to be able to edit on my own computer. I can handle regular 720x576 miniDV footage. So I mean, if I shot on 720pN, then converted that to regular 720x576 footage, would I be able to import it into a (widescreen) 720x576 project?
 
You can batch convert your 720pN files to 576p CineForm, edit those on your PC with the free CineForm NEO Player download. If you want then convert CineForm AVIs to miniDV that is up to you.
 
Thing is, I kept getting the red lines in my Premiere timeline (with the free NEO player) and I want to be able to render stuff while I'm editing. So you can convert to 576p and not get the red lines?
 
David, another question:

Usually when converting the MXF files to AVI, the audio stays locked when I import the AVI in the Premiere project. Since my producer upgraded to Prospect, maybe he changed something in the HDlink preferences? I mean, up till now every conversion was always with a locked corresponding audio part. If so, what do I have to watch out for in the HDlink preferences so I can edit with locked audio?
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Anyone had this phenomenom? I install Premiere CS3 and it tells me the key stored for Aspect is incorrect. I have not changed anything in my system except the removal of an Opteron Processor that was giving me fits. Anyway when I try to put my security number in from Cineform its telling me its incorrect. I uninstall cs3 and everything works like it should. I have the latest v4 build.
Nevermind...it works after a few install tries...
 
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So please excuse my possibly newbie questions, but I need some help.

I used cineform to convert my .m2t files to cineforms intermediate avi and edited my project in AE. Its a 1080p project and runs about 5 minutes long. I have my edit locked and Im now trying to get my project into AE to colour correct it and add all my visual fx. Im used to working with standard DV sizes and not HD.

I can't open my PP project in AE due to its size.

So my plan is to render out my PP timeline into Cineform HD and then use magnum edit detector in AE and do all my post production. Only problem is, every time I open my the resulting render in AE, the colours are all screwy and wierd and the video is upside down.

Is this a colour management issue? Or an cineform importing issue?

Im using CS3 versions of everything.
 
That is version is very old, maybe even pre-CS3 support. Prospect 2K is around 3.2.4.154 now, upgrade is free for all licensed users.
 
Get them to upgrade. It is free, and there is some much new cool stuff you/them are missing out on. Which studio is this? We could give them a reminder.
 
What is Cineform's recommended method for rendering to blu-ray?

What is Cineform's recommended method for rendering to blu-ray?

Hi, I've been running the trial version of Prospect HD with Premiere CS3, working with 5dmii files, and it's an impressive editing machine (except for CS3's tendency to crash when rendering big projects or when rendering without recompression, and the the odd vertical flip that HD Link does when it converts 5dmii files into cineform format. By the way, I previously ran the trial of Neo Scene, which converts 5dmii files without flipping them).

So I could be interested in the Prospect HD version for CS4 when it comes out, but I've got one worry. My end goal is to render to blu-ray. And the problem I'm running into is that all of the consumer AVC encoders that I've tried simply don't do a professional job. I've got some footage of lit underwater motion that I'm using as a torture test to try out how various encoding software performs, and everything so far introduces color banding, including Premiere CS4, Encore CS4, DVDit Pro HD, and Procoder.

With Prospect, I can render from Premiere CS3 to Cineform format without introducing any such banding. So, Prospect does a good job for me that far. But how do I get the Cineform files into AVC for blu-ray without losing the quality? Is there any reasonably priced software that takes Cineform format and does a professional transcoding of it into AVC for blu-ray?

The irony here is that 5dmii files are already AVC video, so theoretically it should be possible to extract the AVC stream and put it into a blu-ray wrapper without uncompressing and recompressing - but no software I can find will do that either. Premiere CS3 has a "don't recompress" option, but it always crashes when I use it with 5dmii files. Premiere CS4 has no such option.
 
Tom Warner said:
Hi, I've been running the trial version of Prospect HD with Premiere CS3, working with 5dmii files, and it's an impressive editing machine (except for CS3's tendency to crash when rendering big projects or when rendering without recompression, and the the odd vertical flip that HD Link does when it converts 5dmii files into cineform format. By the way, I previously ran the trial of Neo Scene, which converts 5dmii files without flipping them).

So I could be interested in the Prospect HD version for CS4 when it comes out, but I've got one worry. My end goal is to render to blu-ray. And the problem I'm running into is that all of the consumer AVC encoders that I've tried simply don't do a professional job. I've got some footage of lit underwater motion that I'm using as a torture test to try out how various encoding software performs, and everything so far introduces color banding, including Premiere CS4, Encore CS4, DVDit Pro HD, and Procoder.

With Prospect, I can render from Premiere CS3 to Cineform format without introducing any such banding. So, Prospect does a good job for me that far. But how do I get the Cineform files into AVC for blu-ray without losing the quality? Is there any reasonably priced software that takes Cineform format and does a professional transcoding of it into AVC for blu-ray?

The irony here is that 5dmii files are already AVC video, so theoretically it should be possible to extract the AVC stream and put it into a blu-ray wrapper without uncompressing and recompressing - but no software I can find will do that either. Premiere CS3 has a "don't recompress" option, but it always crashes when I use it with 5dmii files. Premiere CS4 has no such option.
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5D Mk-II is not officially supported in Prospect HD/NEO HD yet, so that image flip is due to a component on you PC that CineForm HD products are automatically using (CoreAVC generally works to add 5D support to HDLink.) Neo Scene added 5D support last month, this is rolling in Prospect and NEO HD in a week or two.

As for putting Canon 5D MOVs directly on BlurRay, that won't happen as Canon's AVCHD is I-frame only, at too high a bit-rate and at the wrong frame rate, 30.0 vs 29.97fps. The issue is the long GOP AVCHD format is not holding onto your noise signature necessary to preserve/dither the blue gradients of underwater footage. What you need to do, it use the upper bit-rate, and add more noise to the image so the compression doesn't band your gradients. Yes adding noise can be a good idea. Using noise filter in AE you need to add between 0.5% and 1%, enough such you don't see it in motion and high enough not to band, but any noise filter in any app will do. Experiment for the noise need for your footage and the AVCHD compressor you are using.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. Adding noise might well work. So I take it you're saying there isn't any prosumer software for encoding blu-ray compliant AVC that does a better job than the ones I mentioned?

I guess I'm gaining new respect for the 5dmii's AVC compressor chip. Any idea who makes it?

I didn't realize blu-ray players won't play I-frame only AVC, or that the 5dmii's bitrate goes past blu-ray's limit of 40mbps. Thanks.
 
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