Chinese Follow Focus with hard stops

JackBayer

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TrusMT T2 Follow Focus

Hello again everybody! So here it is: My review on TrusMT´s Follow Focus Unit.

First off, I hereby declare that I am in no way connected to this Chinese corporation other than being a customer.

Then, to help you evaluate how much or less you should and could care about what I have to say about Follow Focusses, a little about me:

I live in Germany where I studied film & video design. During and after that I started shooting different stuff mostly on HVX200s or Sony Z1 with 35mm adapters until I learned about the GH1 coming out. So that´s what I am shooting on today. I started to build my own FF, got tired of the project and ordered a ProAim from India. That unit was very crude and not precisely built and had a lot of lash … but worked actually fine once I got to know it. Up until just recently, when I dropped my whole rig right on the focus knob bending everything. So I started looking and found the TrusMT on ebay.

As no one had any experience to share with this company and their products I just went ahead and bought it.


IMPORTANT: I actually got two different units. One at first with issues and then a new one. For easy understanding and readability I will only talk about the new unit.

The issues with the first unit were (both have been addressed):

  • Danger of accidental turning of the marker disc
  • Super tough grease in the gearbox, only usable with a cine crank

I already wrote a little about the first unit I received, so I´ll just re-use that in major parts here when they apply. But pictures first!

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Build quality:
I am really impressed! Everything metal is nicely CNCed, massive and solid. And basically everything is made of metal or to be precise aluminum. My biggest concern (after being victim of an Indian FF for quite a while now) was the sliding mechanism to adjust the FF sideways to different lens diameters. This one works super smoothly! It´s tightened by one screw that is embedded into the lower end of the rail mount. As it stands out front and back for about half a cm you can really easily loosen it and adjust it to your need.
As practically everything can be taken apart (with the exception of the gearbox) you can also turn the mounting disc for the marker disc around (top, bottom, front and back). That one has the index on it so focusing from behind the camera can be done even without the hard stops (index + 3d marking disc). Very good!

Now to the FF itself:
It´s really solid. Beneath the 3d marking disc is a second blue anodized disc on which the hard stops slide.

Rack focusing goes like this: You focus on your point A then take one hardstop slider and bring it up to the indicator until they touch, now tighten the screw. Now turn the FF to focus on your point B and bring the second hardstop slider up to the indicator (the other way around of course) and tighten the screw again. You can now turn your focus wheel only between your two points of interest.

That is VERY clever and I haven´t even seen that idea on any other FF unit I looked at.
You do need to concentrate when setting them but once they sit where they should you can “focus” on what´s on your screen, you won´t miss you markers! Just great.

But as there´s no such thing as a one-sided medal: If the hard stops are attached you can´t turn the knob infinitely. The end is just below 340-360°. If you need more degrees you´ll have to take them off (two screws each).


Adjustment for height and/or angle:

I´ve read that this design resembles a new Letus unit and in their mails the TrustMT employees called it Arri type. I really don´t know either, so… Anyways, it works. You unscrew the finger friendly one-winged screw a bit and now can adjust the FF to your need. Tighten it up again and you´re ready.

One thing I came across though, and I tried it quite a few times now: When you tighten it up real good, which I tend to do, the whole non railmount part moves a tiny bit away from the lens or gearing, just by my sheer turning force I guess. :smile:
Don´t get me wrong: I´m talking about only 1 or 2mm here. When your´re rigged up on a tripod you can simply hold your other hand against it and it won´t even happen. If not, it is best compensated by quickly loosening the sideways slider and push the unit in for those 1-2mm. As mentioned already, this works super smoothly and fast. Although it doesn´t bother me, I will try to reverse that part of the FF so tightening this screw will bring the unit closer to the lens, if anything.


The rail mount (railmount or rail mount?):
One-srew-only. One less screw is better obviously, so that´s a good thing. When the screw is un-tightened the mount has a little vertical play and when tightening it up you need to gently press it upwards at first or you will tighten the unit slightly misaligned. Again it´s only a few milimeters and due to the height and angle adjuster not at all important.


The marker disc:

There are 4 tiny magnets to hold it but unlike on the previous version there now is a little pin on the knob that fits right into a little notch on the marker disc. Thanks to that unwanted turning of the marker disc is no longer possible.


The gearbox:
Now to the most important change: New grease in the gearbox. Well, now it runs without having to apply force. It doesn´t turn all by itself. But as soon as you want to turn it, it turns easily and smoothly and gives the feeling of a well designed piece of machinery.
It has a bit of lash, maybe 1°. On the old version of the FF I couldn´t detect it due to this super heavy grease but now I can. It´s hard to even realize it and compared to the ProAim it´s nothing. In regards to lash I find it more important, that at the end of the lash (so to speak) there´s no sudden change in resistance or sudden move on the gear. Here all is good and still smooth. But to be 100% here I surely wanted to point it out.

A great thing is the reversible gear. So even the 20mm pancake could be driven if one has a matching timing belt for it. A normal gear ring won´t work as it would hit the camera body. To reverse it there´s just one allen screw to be unscrewed. Those are no US inch screws by the way but M-screws. I needed a longer one to attach my custom made gear as shown in the pictures.


I guess that sums it up. I´d like to add that my contact with TrustMT was very kind and forthcoming on their side. I find it remarkable that they considered my critiques so entirely and in this short period of time.


I like this unit and I´ll probably see how much they charge for a gearbox only to get some use out of the first unit, although with the crank it wasn´t so bad...




If you have further questions, just go ahead and post them here or pm me!

Regards
Patrick
 
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Hard stops look like a very clever Idea especially when using with a lens that doesn't have hard stops on the focusing ring, but when thinking about it, soft stops on a FF would already be a great addition as well.
 
Ok, I just bought it. If it sucks it´ll go right on ebay. I´ll review it here of course with pictures and stuff :)
 
It looks like a really nice unit, I hope it has a decent gear box, without backlash. Im using a redrock now, and to be honest, it's not any better than the india ones. I think the problem im seeing in some of the follow focus units, are the bracket that holds the marking wheel seems to be to heavy for it, and the bracket has play in it. as if the weight bends it with the slightest amount of pressure. I guess thats why brands like ARRI cost like two grand.
 
Well, it arrived today.

Here´s my first look, I will try to post pictures and maybe even a video tomorrow, but I can´t promise as I´ll be crazy busy with family for the next few days.

Unpacking:
It came in a custom formed hard foam packaging. I directly took the foam form and put it into my new case to hold the FF when not in use, great!
Besides the FF unit itself there were two screws (for the hard stops) and 3 gear rings of the now quite common type with screws on top to tighten them up.

Build quality:
I am really impressed! Everything metal is nicely CNCed, massive and solid. And basically everything is made of metal or to be precise aluminium. My biggest concern (after being victim of an Indian FF for quite a while now) was the sliding mechanism to adjust the FF sideways to different lens diameters. This one works super smoothely! It´s tightend with one screw that is embedded into the lower end of the railmount. As it stands out front and back for about half a cm you can really easily loosen it and adjust it to your need.

The railmount itself has two finger-friendly (as I said, I am used to really bad stuff concerning FFs) blue anodized winged screws that you don´t have to tighten that much until the unit won´t move anymore.

Now to the FF itself:
It´s really solid. Beneath the 3d marking disc is a second blue anodized disc on which the hardstops slide.
Rack focussing goes like this: You focus on your point A then take one hardstop slider and bring it up to the indicator until they touch, now tighten the screw. Now turn the FF to focus on your point B and bring the second hardstop slider up to the indicator (the other way around of course) and tighten the screw again. You can now turn your focus wheel only between your two points of interest. That is VERY clever and I haven´t even seen that idea on any other FF unit I looked at.

The focus wheel turns very smoothly and acutally without any lash. I guess that´s why it is really hard to turn. So hard in fact, that I´m not sure it is supposed to be like that.
But then again I only know the el cheapo stuff from India, which turn so easily... Any info on how hard it should be on professional FFs would be much appreciated.

Although: The fact that you really have to want to turn the knob on the other hand also avoids a problem that could occur otherwise: When setting the hardstops you could easily and unwillingly turn your focus wheel a bit and ruin a shot feeling save because of your hardstops. So this won´t happen. :)

Now to the one real issue: The marking disc.
It´s supposed do be held in place by 3 tiny magnets. But they are too weak, sadly. It´s easy to turn the disc by accident which renders markers useless of course. I wrote to the manufacturer about this just today.

So there it is, my first impression. Quick summary: Very well built, smooth and easy adjustments, lash-free and smooth but hard to turn focus wheel, absolute genius and also well made hard stop feature, cool look (hello Redrock :) ), too weak magnets on 3d marking disc (but that´s probably easily fixable by some spray-on silicone or rubberizer or something, the disc holds but might turn by accident)

I´ll hurry with pictures and maybe a movie. Feel free to ask me about specific details in the meantime!
 
Is the backlash adjustable? It shouldn't be stiff at all. If it's stiff, it's too tight. Personally I'd rather the tiniest bit of backlash than stiffness. If adjustable, it should be possible to make the gears mesh perfectly - not too tight nor too loose.
 
I mentioned the hard to turn knob in my mail to the manufacturer aswell. There´s no manual or any obvious way to adjust the stiffness and I didn´t want to take it apart before I had an answer.

But just to clarify, it´s not like I have to overcome its being stuck first and then it turns freely. Actually turning starts really smoothely but it feels somewhat like pulling a spoon through honey...
 
Dang! Just bought an other FF last week.

Also very nice one by the way. I worked with a Crosziel since a while and my new Veedion (never heard before)
is absolute par, if not better. Best thing: you can flip gear to the other side.
The knob is bigger than the Crosziel and everything feels pretty solid - nice CNCed aluminum and it has a worm gear,
instead of the typical 90 deg. thingy, which makes it even better. Especially for 260 bucks (without rails).
Mine came also with a whop and a crank. I wish it would have those hard stops though.

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http://cgi.ebay.de/Follow-Focus-15m...mcorder_Digitalkameras_PM&hash=item1e6278c6d8

Frank
 
I got an answer.

They told me thanks for the input about the hard-to-turn knob and weak magnets and that they´ll use less grease and more magnets in the future. On the first matter they couldn´t do anything now.

I answered back if it was possible that I by myself took it apart to exchange the grease with a less or more viscous one and am now waiting to hear back again. If it is not possible I am thinking about returning it, although I really dig those hard stops.

Time will tell...
 
Update:

I got another answer, still very kind and cooperative.

Basically they say that the unit can´t be taken apart without breaking it and that they normally don´t accept sendbacks and refunds. But they offered to pay me back 130$ nontheless. So that´s good, I guess. I suggested that they´s send me a replacement gearbox (an easily running one) instead of paying me money - as they told me that my suggestions would be considered in future production.

Now I´m waiting again.

I ordered a speed crank from shoot35 to get a little more power to turn the wheel in the mean time.
 
Aaaand another update, probably the last for a while.

I got word from Trusmt again, and we agreed that they will send me a replacement gearbox (the whole unit can easily be disassembled down to the gearbox). They´re testing a new grease and if it works they´ll send me the replacent next week by airmail.

Although I wasn´t very happy of course with the hard-to-turn focus wheel, I really liked their customer support as they answered fast and cooperative.

Once I have the final version assembled I will do a proper review here. Until then I will have the opportunity to test the bad one with the shoot35 speed crank on thursday next week.

Regards!
 
Hey JackBayer,

I am thinking about getting one too but it would be the T2 showing below. It looks kind of like the new follow focus that is coming out from letus. Is there anyway you can post some pictures of the one you have? Thanks.


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Follow Focus-T2

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Letus Follow Focus
 
Hey,

if you can wait just a few more days, no problem. I will be getting my new gearbox soon and then I plan on doing a proper review on the unit.
Aswell I am going to use it as-is (together with a shoot35 Cine crank) tomorrow on a shoot, so I will be able to rate it better than by just looking and feeling it.
 
Lot´s a new follow focuses from China these days - way better build quality than the indian stuff,

Here is an other new kid on the block:

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http://cgi.ebay.de/Pro-Follow-Focus...85?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item4aa9eba039

They have a nice set of grips for under 100 bucks too:

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I don´t think they are rip offs. If you look at Alibaba or AliExpress, you can see tons of cheap gear that pops up after a few months, at the usual vendors here re-branded and re-boxed, with their own sticker an maybe some minor modifications, like different knobs or handles - and yeah, with a way different price tag of course ;-)

I think the process of film gear democratization is under full steam here.
Today we have $15000 cameras that run in circles around 5 year old $800000 flagship cameras.
We got soft and hardware for editing and color correction under $10000 that blow a lot of 5 year old high end systems out of the water (price-value wise) - just think Davinci.
A $200 FF of China is the same performance and quality as a $1500 Crosziel now.

The high end must learn to adjust and the "buy cheap in China, rebox and sell expensive here" industry is not gonna work anymore.

Frank
 
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Lot´s a new follow focuses from China these days - way better build quality than the indian stuff,

Here is an other new kid on the block:

$(KGrHqUOKp!E1qimg9(KBNkvz9Uc,g~~_12.JPG



http://cgi.ebay.de/Pro-Follow-Focus...85?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item4aa9eba039

They have a nice set of grips for under 100 bucks too:

$(KGrHqUOKnQE1ReQM)fYBNgzfRGcMQ~~_12.JPG


I don´t think they are rip offs. If you look at Alibaba or AliExpress, you can see tons of cheap gear that pops up after a few months, at the usual vendors here re-branded and re-boxed, with their own sticker an maybe some minor modifications, like different knobs or handles - and yeah, with a way different price tag of course ;-)

I think the process of film gear democratization is under full steam here.
Today we have $15000 cameras that run in circles around 5 year old $800000 flagship cameras.
We got soft and hardware for editing and color correction under $10000 that blow a lot of 5 year old high end systems out of the water (price-value wise) - just think Davinci.
A $200 FF of China is the same performance and quality as a $1500 Crosziel now.

The high end must learn to adjust and the "buy cheap in China, rebox and sell expensive here" industry is not gonna work anymore.

Frank
The brand is called 'Tilta', and have seen it for sale in stores here in Hong Kong. Never tried it though. Maybe I will someday just to let you guys know if it's worth it... but that store is so bloody crowded
A lot of these Chinese brands seem to have a similar gear box design of Genus' Bravo follow focus.
 
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