Canon's 4K Cinema EOS Official Announcement & Latest Info-NAB 2012

At times this thread sees some light - then its dragged down again. In reading it, Barry has tried to gently steer the conversation back a few times.

Quite frankly heres where it stands, if you feel these units are overpriced or are simply not interested in purchasing them - we get it. Go whinge on facebook. Maybe Im tired of it? Yep, you betcha. Conversation about the cameras themselves from here on out. Everywhere I look on the forum lately its a similar story. And it pollutes the forum for people seeking answers. As I said - there are many means to voice your opinion (facebook / twitter). These posts fill our forum with guff. Once its been said isnt that enough? Thats a rhetorical question by the way.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
If we had been paying close attention we might have predicted it would not be that at all but what it actually is- A companion for productions working with the C300, C500....
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I was predicting this from the get-go. I posted on a few speculative threads, and said specifically that if you look at Canon's history, and it's target market with Cinema EOS, the new C DSLR would likely be far more expensive than anyone was predicting. I warned about being too optimistic about getting a revolutionary camera at a revolutionary price - but I was very quickly dismissed. It's not a matter of paying close attention, it's just a matter paying some attention. Canon has stated the target market for Cinema EOS over and over and over. It's written all over the website. It just seems like a lot of people have their fingers in their ears, screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Just because one revolution happened with HDSLR's doesn't mean there is going to be another revolution every other year, even though that seems like what a lot of (forum) people expect. I must admit that the general attitude in the real world is far more realistic, at least, it seems to me.
 
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cowpunk52 said:
I was predicting this from the get-go. I posted on a few speculative threads, and said specifically that if you look at Canon's history, and it's target market with Cinema EOS, the new C DSLR would likely be far more expensive than anyone was predicting. I warned about being too optimistic about getting a revolutionary camera at a revolutionary price - but I was very quickly dismissed. It's not a matter of paying close attention, it's just a matter paying some attention. Canon has stated the target market for Cinema EOS over and over and over. It's written all over the website. It just seems like a lot of people have their fingers in their ears, screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Just because one revolution happened with HDSLR's doesn't mean there is going to be another revolution every other year, even though that seems like what a lot of (forum) people expect. I must admit that the general attitude in the real world is far more realistic, at least, it seems to me.
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Yes you did CP, you sure did! I remember it....lol. We all get too amped up when something new hits the net!
 
mik303 said:
So many questions will be answered in the next 48-72 hours.
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LOL I would love to think so, but I feel like the whirlwind of complaining on the internet has barely started ;) We'll see how many answers we get at NAB, and now many new questions arise because of NAB.

I'm with you, I'm impressed. It's great to see all these companies coming out swinging. Sony in particular I think has struck a nerve with the FS700. I've talked to a few people lately all in similar industries and I keep hearing people talk about the FS700 the most. Still, I'm sure for those in the price range, the Canon cameras are being spoken of just as much.

I realize that for me, I need to stick to the $10000 or less territory, so an AF100 (which I've owned and sold) or something comparable is what I'm interested in. Until something in my price range emerges, I'll squeeze whatever I can out of the technology available. Of course I realize I was one of the few who thought the MKIII was actually a big step up, but that makes me a weirdo around here so... ;)

Definitely exciting times! Expensive or not, all these cameras are LIGHTYEARS ahead of what we had only a number of years ago.
 
Cosimo Bullo said:
Thanks Emanuel, that's exactly correct. Those who weren't there can't know how hard we lobbied for these feature, and just how hard working with the 5d was at the outset. No, the public has power and from time to time wields it.
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You're welcome Cosimo! There's no B&W as some intend to think. I don't need to be loyal as a dog and I can still be customer, because it is my money what they want and need.
 
KyleProhaska said:
LOL I would love to think so, but I feel like the whirlwind of complaining on the internet has barely started ;) We'll see how many answers we get at NAB, and now many new questions arise because of NAB.

I'm with you, I'm impressed. It's great to see all these companies coming out swinging. Sony in particular I think has struck a nerve with the FS700. I've talked to a few people lately all in similar industries and I keep hearing people talk about the FS700 the most. Still, I'm sure for those in the price range, the Canon cameras are being spoken of just as much.

I realize that for me, I need to stick to the $10000 or less territory, so an AF100 (which I've owned and sold) or something comparable is what I'm interested in. Until something in my price range emerges, I'll squeeze whatever I can out of the technology available. Of course I realize I was one of the few who thought the MKIII was actually a big step up, but that makes me a weirdo around here so... ;)

Definitely exciting times! Expensive or not, all these cameras are LIGHTYEARS ahead of what we had only a number of years ago.
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I think people hoping for a sub 5K Cinema DSLR should really give the MK3 another look, I was actually impressed as well- with some of the post sharpened footage here, and Blooms post sharpened footage. It's an extra step, but one that isn't difficult...for some really excellent moire alias free full frame goodness. There is a little film in the Canon FF section - looks stunning.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
I think people hoping for a sub 5K Cinema DSLR should really give the MK3 another look, I was actually impressed as well- with some of the post sharpened footage here, and Blooms post sharpened footage. It's an extra step, but one that isn't difficult...for some really excellent moire alias free full frame goodness. There is a little film in the Canon FF section - looks stunning.
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I shot some test footage with a Scarlet the other day that a friend owns and he doesn't have cinema glass. It's decent glass but not the stuff the big boys are typically using. When I got it home, it looked good already and it was in focus because I double checked. The lens just gave a little bit of softness. So, I gave it a really small sharpen in FCP and it looked a lot better. Even a RED can use a little sharpening sometimes :)
 
Not sure why you think they should get thrashed and go bankrupt. Isn't it better business to develop one sensor that can be used in three different cameras with different capabilities at different prices? That makes a lot more sense to me instead of developing 3 different sensors needlessly. You may not like it, but it's smart LOL.

Again, they get to decide what they put out and for how much. Might stink if the only thing keeping those cheaper cameras from hitting the mark is software, but that's just the way it goes. :)
 
KyleProhaska said:
Not sure why you think they should get thrashed and go bankrupt. Isn't it better business to develop one sensor that can be used in three different cameras with different capabilities at different prices? That makes a lot more sense to me instead of developing 3 different sensors needlessly. You may not like it, but it's smart LOL.
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Yes, it is. Bankruptcy is a way too far from where they are. If Sony has structure for holding more than US $6 billions of annual losses plus almost 10 years of red flag in their TV sales, go figure now Canon but in profit territory: http://www.canon.com/ir/conf2011/conf2011e.pdf

Canon is growing. Especially their cinema division, previously non-existent.

Kyle, I was not able to answer to the last post of yours addressed to me yet, but R&D whether be HD video whether 4K, it doesn't seem to me or anyone ;) proportional to the number of pixels. 4K@DSLR is an evolution, not a revolution. A good part of the R&D investment has already been absorbed with other previous and current models. I've pre-ordered a couple of units (yes, it is possible to get it with certain suppliers) so I am not part of those who don't have money, therefore bash the equipment they can't buy (our annual investment in gear for 2012 is some mark between US $80,000 and $100,000).
 
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Why wouldn't Canon build the C500 with the 4K motion JPEG 4:2:2 mode built in as well? According to the specs, I don't see it. With onboard audio recording / XLR inputs, the 4:2:2 JPEG 4K mode would make the C500 a great, portable camera for interviews. With still cameras ( Canon 5D and Canon 1D C) for excellent audio, you still need to carry around a separate audio recorder. Why can't Canon put all the good stuff in one camera? Why is this so hard? Especially IF it costs $25,000 USD. I just don't understand. What is the logical reason for NOT putting the 4K 4:2:2 motion JPEG Mode in both of these new 4K cameras? Someone please tell me that I'm wrong.
 
Barry_Green said:
Wow, what an intelligent perspective. Wish more folks would see the world the way you do -- it would save a lot of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Not to mention it would cut down the chatter on this board by about 70%, and we could get back to filmmaking instead of gearwhining.

Well stated, Jay Birch.
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It is 1999…and there was the release of one of the most terrifying films which I ever have seen, named THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT. Brilliant script and simple story, mainly filmed on video (HI 8) The picture quality wasn’t important. With a budget of
$ 25.000 and the turnover $ 250.00.000,-- , This was one of the American most successful low-budget films…
In other words buy a camera that you can afford and shoot. If the story is ok the audience don’t see small technical slip-up…
 
Agree Menno, creativity and content are the key.

With the salivating and hair splitting over new technology this sounds like a good time to pick up a used 5D Mark II.
 
Blair Witch Project..brilliant script? Well, to each his own, I guess.
But it did make a huge profit off a very modest budget. I think much of its success had to do with the excellent viral marketing, maybe the first such type in movie history.
 
vanvideo said:
Blair Witch Project..brilliant script? Well, to each his own, I guess.
But it did make a huge profit off a very modest budget. I think much of its success had to do with the excellent viral marketing, maybe the first such type in movie history.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Uh oh....I am reminded of the great "DVX USER Awesome Feature for 10 Thousand Debate of 2011" lol! That was a fun debate...lots of opinions, lots of ideas, lots of insight. We can all learn from one another is what I really took away from it.
 
Well of course it can be done, it's possible. Just in order to make a profit, it's not that likely. But the next BWP (or Open Water, Paranormal Activity, etc.) is out there, or will be soon.

Still, with gear we've long ago passed the point of "good enough".
 
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