C300: Canon USA is now offering an "update" to some internal c300 components...

Sorry for the long post but perhaps my experience will help some of you.



Canon USA is now offering an "update" to some internal components that make the interior "sealed" sensor and ND area less prone to dust contamination.


My c300's insides were filthy...big chunky bits on my sensor and each ND filter looked like a shag rug. I exaggerate of course but given that I've only shot a couple of projects and all indoors, I was shocked to have my camera look like I'd been touring the wilds of Afghanistan. I called Canon's EOS number (1-855-246-3367), described the problem and told them it was coming. They gave me packing instructions and an address in NJ.


They never mentioned the update.


I FedEx'd the camera -- a cost of $275 I might add -- and waited for the email estimate I was told I would receive once the camera was checked out. Four business days later, no email. I eventually called to be told that Canon Service had been trying to reach me because they were not sure why my camera had been sent in. So besides the fact that I hadn't gotten any calls and if I had, they were not leaving voicemails...it seemed odd that they had a document with my number to call me at but nothing resembling a work order that stated "PLEASE CLEAN MY SHAG RUG SENSORS AND FILTERS!"


The Canon rep apologized and said they would look at it right away.


Still no mention of the update.


Within 10 minutes I got an estimate email for out of warranty sensor cleaning priced at $359 and $15 ground shipping. I rang them up and handed over my credit card info and they told me it should be done in about 7 business days. Add the ground shipping and I was thinking that this camera will have been gone for 2 weeks or more. I asked if there was some way to expedite...or pay to expedite...and sat on hold for a couple of minutes while the customer service person asked around. The rep came back on and said they'd give me Standard Overnight free of charge and that most likely the cleaning would be done in the next day or so. Oddly accommodating but much appreciated.


Still no mention of the update.


I then started to think that between shipping and the cleaning charge, and the replacement rental this camera is going to cost me a fair amount of money if i have to do this a couple of times a year. Surely Canon offers some kind of extended warranty product. I brought this up with the rep and she thought about it for a sec and transferred me to Bruce in the EOS Cinema division. He told me about the Canon PPS Support Pack where for $2300/3-years or $1700/2-years you get three free cleanings per year, 20% discounts on parts, loaner options, expedited repairs and shipping, etc.


Seemed reasonable...not great since the PPS is per product. So thats $2300 for each camera you own. Or X number of dollars for each lens you get covered. I wish it was some kind of blanket coverage for all the Cinema EOS products you own. But what can you do. My big question is why isn't my dealer hammering me to buy this every time I'm in there buying another light stand or whatever. And why hadn't the people on the phone at Canon tried to sell this to me in the previous four or five calls I had made over the past several days.


Still no mention of the update...or what I've come to believe is actually a silent recall. But that's just my opinion.


As I pondered the cost of ownership of the Cinema EOS line, wondered about adding a second camera or even jumping ship to another manufacturer, I did one more Google search on dirty NDs. I found a post on another site linking to a Canon Europe press release from March announcing the update -- http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/eos_c300_upgrade_now_available.do


Back on the phone with Canon and they are all like, "Oh yeah...the update. Did you want one of those? I'll tell service to do that while your c300 is here getting cleaned. Cost? Nah...no charge. Thank you for choosing Canon. Have a nice day"


Huh?!?
 
wow that's insanely expensive. until they sorta set the price to nothing?? This should probably be stickied...seeing as how you have to send it into Canon to get it fixed and not many people know.
 
Here is the statement from Canon:

"As part of the on-going feedback process with customers, Canon has implemented a revised design in the filter and sensor units of the Cinema EOS System’s EOS C100 and EOS C500 digital cameras that further improves dust prevention performance.

The new design further minimises any possible ingress of dust within the sensor and filter array and, after additional development, the same upgrade can now be performed on all existing purchased EOS C300 cameras and it will be implemented in all future EOS C300 and C300 PL models.

The update can only be done at a Canon Regional Competence Centre (RCC) service facility and, as the upgrade involves a significant amount of time, you must contact and book the update directly with the service facility".

This above statement was sent late March 2013. I wanted to make sure my new "Reduced Price" C100 Kit (with 24-105 lens) included the NEW UPDATED DESIGN. The answer was yes!
 
Does this mean that I need to plan an upgrade for my C100 purchased at the end of December 2012? Is this a free upgrade? How long will Canon have my camera?
 
OK for reference. Here in Aus the upgrade has been doable since around February and there is 0 charge for it. In fact in Australia if you feel inclined you can arrange a time and theyll do it while you wait. I work in all manner of conditions here and have had a C300 since release date. I have no dust anywhere. Although a touch of my own diligence probably helps, however not much I can really do when Im shooting a helicopter taking off at around 30 feet away (it happened and still no dust). If you have a concern call canon with your serial number and see if it had the upgrade installed and if not its free.

as the upgrade involves a significant amount of time

Wow not what Im told in Aus at all.
 
Wow that is bad services, and they don't really care.

Not sure I'd classify it as "bad service." Bad service would be if they lost my unit after signing for it. Or damaged it during the repair and tried to blame the way I shipped it or something. Or was rude on the phone each time I called.

Quite the opposite...every one is courteous and very helpful. In fact, by being nice and calm in return I first received an upgrade to overnight shipping and in the end a "free" updated filter and sensor unit. The fact that at each level they are either uninformed about programs and services that really should be presented to each and every c300 owner that calls...well that's pretty standard for a big corporation.

The real question that no one on at Canon could answer was if I call and request the filter and sensor update on my out-of-warranty c300...is it the same labor cost of the cleaning they were charging me for. And if my unit is under warranty...is the update free. Or do they still charge you because it's an "update" and not a recall. And if they do in fact charge for the update...if it gets dusty in three months...or starts shutting down because the fan or sensor is too hot because they updated the air intake system...what then?

So ok...maybe the service was kind of bad ;-)
 
Just now got an email from Canon saying my unit is done. Not 24 hours ago they were saying it might be seven business days...and then not till Friday...and now it's done. Slow week or I need to amend my post above and say the service is great.
 
Does this mean that I need to plan an upgrade for my C100 purchased at the end of December 2012? Is this a free upgrade? How long will Canon have my camera?
From what I understand with the press release all C100/C500 are built with this improvement from the very beginning other wise they'd indicate it as well. We should be good.
 
From what I understand with the press release all C100/C500 are built with this improvement from the very beginning other wise they'd indicate it as well. We should be good.

Sent my C300 in April 2nd. Great experience - I spoke directly with the tech that was servicing my camera. She was very cool. In addition to the dust cleaning and mod, I had a bad left side iris wheel - you would spin it and barely any iris movement. She replaced the entire left side cover which included the wheel.

Out of Warranty Standard Labor Charge: $359.00
2 Day Shipping and Handling: $18.00
Parts: $190.00
Tax: $12.38
Total: $577.36

Sent back next day FedEx Priority no additional charge.

VERY solid performance by Canon.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience. Just for reference, Canon Professional Services for photographers is simply amazing service. They turn around repairs in a couple days or they give you a loaner. I just had a 70-200 2.8 that I bought in 1996 sent in for haze on one of the optical elements. They quoted $250 and said it would take a few days so they were overnighting a loaner to me. A couple days later they call to let me know that they're just going to replace the lens for me with a new IS version. ...at the same repair cost. Booyah! A non IS version from '96 swapped for a IS II for $250 bucks and they let me use theirs while on assignment.
Canon just needs to make CPS available for C series cameras too.
 
This is a bit OT but, but is there anyway to report stolen gear to Canon? It's reported to the police but I have a bunch of stuff I'd like them to be on the watch for.
 
They do have a program for the Cinema line...it's called PPS. For a c300 it's $1K for one year, $1700 for two and $2300 for three. The c500 is more of course and to cover those monster cinema zooms is like $5K.
Yikes! CPS gold status is only $100, and they give you some freebies too.
 
I don't see anything here as good or great service. Having to spend money on labor and parts for a camera that is under the one year warranty is unacceptable. I had to pay for a cleaning last fall. Pay for shipping both ways. Pay for sub-rental camera during the week plus our C300 was out of inventory. In over 30 years of running a rental house, I've never had to pay for warranty service, never had to pay for a cleaning(never needed a cleaning) from five different camera makers. Never paid for an expensive service contract just to get what I consider normal broadcast service.

Let's compare Canon's one year, you have to pay anyway, warranty to Panasonic's P2 camera warranty. The latter give you 3-5 year warranties, no charges of any kind except to ship to them. I just sent in our HPX2700 P2 Varicam for warranty service--this for a camera that was registered in November of 2008! No charge, fast turnaround, no expensive service contracts needed.

Our C300 has a spot again in the same place as before, even though the ND filter assembly was replaced. Totally unacceptable. This will be our first and last Canon product, i fear.
 
Our C300 has a spot again in the same place as before, even though the ND filter assembly was replaced. Totally unacceptable. This will be our first and last Canon product, i fear.

Yeah...I'd be inclined to agree. This whole sealed low pass filter assembly and sensor compartment appears to be big problem. I was excited when I fist got the unit, pulled the cap and thought how great, there's this awesome glass cover keeping stuff off my sensor and NDs. Now I just see something in the way of me being able to clean my sensor.

Looking over the Service Details sheet that came with my camera yesterday, it lists four items that were replaced or added or updated:

TAPE, DUST PROOF PLATE (encouraging title)
PLATE, DUST PROOF (not dust resistant...but dust proof...so you're saying I'll never see dust again?)
CUSHION, LPF
COVER ASS'Y, MOUNT

So the spot on my sensor is gone when I go above f8. That's great...and according to Dino this victory may be short lived. But when pull the lens off, shine a flashlight into the sensor area and cycle through the ND's to inspect the gate, I can see that they are far from spotless. Now I'm no optical engineer for sure but won't all this schmutz on the NDs end up looking like I'm shooting through a Black ProMist filter or something? Or am i being over critical...are they too close to the sensor to effect sharpness.

I mean dirt is dirt is what I'm thinking. Or maybe I'm thinking about ebay-ing this silly camera and finding out what the inside of a Sony f55 looks like.

And how come everybody isn't having these same issues? Like I said above, I've never been to anything resembling a harsh environment. Is there some kind of preventive steps c300 owners can take to better protect themselves against what my service receipt calls a "foreign object in the front mount assembly."
 
Ouch! Sorry you guys have had those problems - that sucks pretty big-time, I admit. I had dust on my ND filter once, last October, and dropped my cam off to be cleaned. I paid the labor, but was not charged for any parts, so I'm not sure what that's about (if you paid for replacement of defective parts while your camera was in warranty, something is highly amiss).

Anyway, it came back clean and with the new dust proofing, and I guess I've been fortunate to not have an issue since; been in some very extreme environments for long stretches, too (jungle, desert, & sub-arctic).

I do always limit the amount of time I keep a lens or cap off the camera to just moments, and I'm probably 80-90% of the time using weather-sealed L series lenses. Don't know if that's made the difference, but so far so good for me.

I am considering the PPS program, though - I'm using my camera so much and in such harsh environs that I suppose anything can happen. And since it's now out of warranty, I think the benefits outweigh getting caught with my pants down on a job!
 
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Brian, our C300 was at Canon in November, should have the new sealing parts, but I only saw a replacement ND filter assembly listed, so who knows. The dust is getting in to the sensor via the lower body air intakes, not the lens mount or lenses. A fan for the sensor is sucking up the dust. Our camera does NOT do dirty environments, it shoots corporate interiors most of the time. It's a design flaw, they know it and have addressed it with new parts. I shouldn't have been charged for the cleaning in the first place. Now the question is do the new dust sealing parts work or not? Not sure, because I didn't see those parts listed on my repair order. But I see a piece of dust in the same place as before.

Very frustrating. The PPS program just adds insult to injury, but I think I'm going to have to sign up for it. Just one year, because that's an eternity for large sensor cameras in the rental market these days! One year of PPS that should be provided as part of Cinema EOS camera purchases in the first place is the cost of a Black Magic Cinema camera!! That puts things into perspective in an absurd sort of way.
 
Brian, our C300 was at Canon in November, should have the new sealing parts, but I only saw a replacement ND filter assembly listed, so who knows. The dust is getting in to the sensor via the lower body air intakes, not the lens mount or lenses. A fan for the sensor is sucking up the dust. Our camera does NOT do dirty environments, it shoots corporate interiors most of the time. It's a design flaw, they know it and have addressed it with new parts. I shouldn't have been charged for the cleaning in the first place. Now the question is do the new dust sealing parts work or not? Not sure, because I didn't see those parts listed on my repair order. But I see a piece of dust in the same place as before.

Interesting - from everything I've been told, the sensor cavity is completely sealed off from the ventilation system, and that the dust was entering from the front. Either way, I'm wondering if you and I have complete upgrades as far as dust-proofing goes. I don't have all of those itemizations that kevinseven listed, so I think I'll give a call to Canon tomorrow and see what's up.
 
It's the air intakes for sure. I'm very anal about how long my cap or lens is off. Seconds at a time. which i guess doesn't mean much if you're shooting in a dust storm. But like Dino all I've done are interior corporate shoots. Pretty tame environments. We've got L glass and cp.2s...which maybe aren't sealed I guess. But still...I'm betting its the air intakes.
 
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