Canon Unveils New Prosumer HDV Line: XH G1 and XH A1

I think I could get my 1.67 G4 to do something. Bump it up to 2gig of memory, external hard drive.
I might make a trip into a Apple store and see if they have something to try out.
 
Elton said:
I wouldn't worry too much fellas. Canon monitors these boards and wants to sell more than a couple A1's. :)
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we hope so.. they must read this Emanuel's input:
Emanuel said:
If XL-H1 = XH series (A1 & G1) this will be the next sales success. If not it will be a flop because AVCHD is around the corner. And only HDV will rule following the XL-H1 success and its high quality as "the" Mini-Cinealta. For sure, I'm speaking from the light filmmaking POV though AVCHD is a consumer format. By now.

EDIT -- For example, the same reasons that push me to a Canon purchase and not waiting for the Panasonic AVCHD* offer (with a similar performance or even lesser than HVX considering its chroma noisy properties) it is why I can't to go with the A1/G1 cams if these will not be so much noiseless as XL-H1 is. Or -- if you prefer (since Barry prefers to call it equal noisy though luma noisy) I'm talking about the Canon response @lowlight, its value added.

* Sony AVCHD will never be a true option. They have a high end to protect and their product will be always interlaced or fake progressive and not progressive enough.
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this man doesn't stop me from surprise.. what a synthesis.. more posts like this one and you will be nominated for mod too if Canon or Jim Jannard doesn't hire you first.. :)
 
One entire month and some change until we see how this comes to play. That's enough time for another Panasonic cam to be announced. No Brand Loyalty here, bang for buck.

And by the way, now that I think about it--

Couldn't you go tethered with an HVX via Component Analog signal and capture to one of the better codecs?
 
Kholi said:
Couldn't you go tethered with an HVX via Component Analog signal and capture to one of the better codecs?
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Yes, but then you're back to the question of "was it worth the effort" over DVCPRO HD.
You're not going to eek out any more res than what P2 1080 can record anyway, (as far as I can tell) but maybe Barry or Jarred could chime in and say whether there is any signifigant advantage to doing this with the HVX.

I know there's definitely more to be gained from the Canon, but not really sure about the HVX.
 
Elton said:
Yes, but then you're back to the question of "was it worth the effort" over DVCPRO HD.
You're not going to eek out any more res than what P2 1080 can record anyway, (as far as I can tell) but maybe Barry or Jarred could chime in and say whether there is any signifigant advantage to doing this with the HVX.

I know there's definitely more to be gained from the Canon, but not really sure about the HVX.
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I see I see. Since you can already capture to the p2 in DVCproHD. But if you got to capture to another codec that allowed you to push the footage during grading more, then won't it be an advantage still?
 
wait you can record uncompressed signals from the Xlh1 through the HVX into the p2 cards!!!!????!!??!!? thats AWESOME!!!!!
 
Dude you said this : "Couldn't you go tethered with an HVX via Component Analog signal and capture to one of the better codecs?"


ISnt that what you ment? taking Xlh1 out the SDI and recording thorugh the inputs of the HVX to DVCPROHD and P2?

Maybe i misunderstood. And got excited.... (he says as he blushes)
 
No. LMFAO. But that would be crazy if that worked. LOLOLOL I so wasn't saying that.

I was saying going tethered in the sense of HVX to Kona Card to capture to PhotoJpeg or something that Elton mentioned.
 
oh ok.... DAmmit. nowi just feel stupid.

But thats a great idea, if anyone is an engineer. write some softwarem and make a P2 deck thqt holds a buncha cards, and like has Analog inputs. just a HD recorder.

That would be AMAZING.
 
If someone had an XL-H1 and it was possible to run the Analog from one camera to another and then record to P2... well.. that'd be interesting. LOL
 
Just trying to make a logical guess here...but.

P2 is just a memory storage format, comprising SD cards arrayed. They merely hold digital information.

In order to store the Analog component output, you'd have to include an Analog-to-Digital conversion aspect, most likely hardware.

It sounds (from other posts) like cineform and Wafian are working on something that'll do this.

I don't see why you'd want to record to P2 though. P2 is the downside to the HVX. Why bring that negative aspect into the pretty picture known as the H1?

I'd say the best option is recording to Hard Drives. There are extremely cheap SATA 3Gb/s drives, which seems fast enough for 1080i in cineform.

We could sure use a modular pod which contains the hardware A/D converter, and accepts plugin modular Hard Drive units to store cineform codec video. The modular pod could come in two flavors, one for SDI and the other for component analog inputs. Why swap an 8gb P2 card when you could swap a high speed 250Gb hard drive???
 
Nah, Timur mistook what I said. We weren't trying to invent a way to record to P2. It was a mad science mix-up. =P
 
filmmaker1977 said:
we hope so.. they must read this Emanuel's input:this man doesn't stop me from surprise.. what a synthesis.. more posts like this one and you will be nominated for mod too if Canon or Jim Jannard doesn't hire you first.. :)
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:dankk2: again for your words my friend! :embarasse
 
Kholi said:
I see I see. Since you can already capture to the p2 in DVCproHD. But if you got to capture to another codec that allowed you to push the footage during grading more, then won't it be an advantage still?
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This is true, but again it's a matter of accepting the cumbersome nature of tethered shooting. When there's a Firestore-like device with analog HD and SDI capture then, like Jarred said, things will change.
 
meta4 said:
I'd say the best option is recording to Hard Drives. There are extremely cheap SATA 3Gb/s drives, which seems fast enough for 1080i in cineform.

We could sure use a modular pod which contains the hardware A/D converter, and accepts plugin modular Hard Drive units to store cineform codec video. The modular pod could come in two flavors, one for SDI and the other for component analog inputs. Why swap an 8gb P2 card when you could swap a high speed 250Gb hard drive???
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Good post. Very interesting...but what would you be willing to pay for such a device?
 
Zim said:
I think I could get my 1.67 G4 to do something. Bump it up to 2gig of memory, external hard drive.
I might make a trip into a Apple store and see if they have something to try out.
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You should be o.k. if you use AIC and FCE HD.

Trust me, native HDV editing will not be fun on a G4; it's barely tolerable on a fast G5! Intermediate codecs like AIC are a much better alternative.
 
I'm sure it is going to be some what slow, but for now it will be what I have to work with if I get the A1.

I don't know if anyone said, but how does the Canon XL-H1 look in standard def? Even if I get the A1 and us it for 16:9 standard def recording which might be a step up from other camera's I'm looking at. Maybe I can pull off getting Final Cut Pro so I can do 24F.
 
Elton said:
Good post. Very interesting...but what would you be willing to pay for such a device?
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Well, the portable conversion 'pod' would be the same hardware as the upcoming Firestore with SDI input. The only difference would be that the non-removable hard drive would be designed to slide out of the case like a P2. You'd buy the conversion pod from Firestore and then you could buy the harddrive from whomever, any brand.

Samsung Hard Drive
This oughta do the trick, four of these (1TB) would hold how many hours of cineform???

Man, I think I'm gonna look into making something like this! I like the idea.
 
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