Canon Rebel T2i

There's the damned EU tax regime that was originaly there to protect a now-defuct French VCR industry. Anything that might possibly be a VCR gets a hefty tax penelty, and that includes anything that might be a camcorder, hence the time limit.
P2 cards also have a FAT32 file sixe limit but can link multiple clips.
Canon could do this too if it wasn't for the damned tax regime.
Dave
 
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Robert Ruffo said:
You cannot get a decent tripod HEAD for less than $900, and it won't be all that great - and you'll see a difference in your shots between that and a $1600 head.
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I just saw a nice baby DV Sachtler sold on ebay for $700 just as smooth as a big Sachtler but for a baby size camera.
 
2 dozen 32GB cards? Isn't that a bit excessive. You know the 12min limit isn't per 32GB card. Its 12min/4GB so on a 32GB card you'll be able to fit 8x12min clips.




Well thats great! :)
so then a 32gb card will give me well over an hour of footage
maybe I'll just buy 2 or 3 then?
 
@HHL
Yeah I kinda got that feeling as well. Not sure why people seemed to be jumping on me for it. I wasn't suggesting these DSLR's have those features. In fact the T2i looks like the perfect camera for me. I plan to pick one up myself. I'm really excited about.

I was just trying to say that the more you add to a camera the more expensive it will be. Pro features cost pro money. Because the market isn't big enough. While some consumers will want pro features, most probably wouldn't even know what to do with them.

DSLR video is just a funny in-between format because it offers pro 35mm image aesthetics without having the meaty codec or the pro build quality with all the buttons and knobs and rings.

But hey I'll take it. Especially for the price.
 
HHL said:
Many entry level folks are going to DIVE IN to the DSLR game because the PRICE is disproportionate to the functionality.
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This is the absolute truth.

It's not that the functionality is that great, but the price is so incredibly compelling and the functionality is definitely well beyond the price point, that it makes it irresistible.
 
Norman99 said:
I do lots of events. it's not a hobby. it's my bread and butter. I have been waiting a long time for a camera like this. Not perfect, but if Canon would at least read what people want in a camera rather than what a tourist would want, perhaps they can gain a lot more loyal followers.
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Simply put, you should not be looking at the Canons because they do not do what you want. If you want a still-camera that does video properly, you should be looking at the GH1.
 
Norman99 said:
Heating issues are a poor excuse to explain the clip limit.
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Who's using heating issues to explain it? The 7D has two separate issues:
1) it overheats when used for extended periods
2) it has a self-imposed 4GB clip limit.

That's the way it is. If that's not what you need, just move on. It's not gonna change. Canon made these cameras for photojournalists, and they do what they need/want them to do.

If you need it to do something else, you should be looking at something else.
 
That's the magic word...continous. Beside the fact of them taxes as a vid camera, one must also understand the marketing and overall economics of sales. Canon would not, in their right mind offer everything. Not because the can't do it or don't have the technology, but it would cut too deeply into their video camera sales, as most would be tempted just for the affordability of it and feature laden with everything except shine shoes and give you a shave. The companies in general are there to create a hype, make money, make you lust for their product a little at a time, give you added featured in upcoming models. But not too much and not all at once. . It's like having a carrot dangling in front of you.
 
Getting 96 minutes from a 32 GB card would be wonderful, even it it is in multiple clips, as long as there is no gap, pause, waiting, glitches, between the clips. I can accept that.
 
Of course there are gaps, pauses, and waiting between clips. You have to actually stop the recording, and then start it up again.

Again, Norman -- the Canons are not what you want. They don't do what you want, and they won't do what you want, so looking at them is just going to be an exercise in frustration for you. Other products do what you want.
 
What DSLR does what I want at even 3X the price? Heck, not even the 5D MK2 does 1080P 30fps continuous.If Canon won't in time, someone else will and get my hard earned clams.
 
Norman99 said:
What DSLR does what I want at even 3X the price? Heck, not even the 5D MK2 does 1080P 30fps continuous.If Canon won't in time, someone else will and get my hard earned clams.
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I do some event video here and there in my corporate work. Which to me is any video where I can't yell "cut!"

In most of those situations I would not want to use a DSLR. I use a Canon XHA1 and it does a great job. The increased DOF is a bonus. I can only imagine that using a DSLR in these situations would be a nightmare. Especially if I'm on the long end of the zoom for an event.

It sounds like you really just need to plan what you're shooting better and use the right tool at the right time. For $4500 you could have both an XHA1 and a T2i. Use the A1 for events and use the T2i for anything where you can yell cut or as B roll.

In 95+% of the situations where you can yell cut, 12 minutes of recording time is plenty, if not too much.
 
J Davis said:
Filesize limit is because of the FAT32 formatting of the 7D CF cards, no other reason.

Here's a wiki link with more info under file systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#Capacities_and_compatibility

The GH1 uses AVCHD which is a system not a single file so it can get around the limit by spanning multiple files
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There are file based systems that use .avi and .mov containers to record video and they are fine with splitting the stream at certain filesystem intervals like the common 4GB barrier. I don't think the GH1's ability has anything to do with AVCHD and more to do with their programmers going the extra mile. Im confident Canon engineers "could" make their cameras span multiple files if they wanted to.
 
roxics said:
I was just trying to say that the more you add to a camera the more expensive it will be. Pro features cost pro money. Because the market isn't big enough. While some consumers will want pro features, most probably wouldn't even know what to do with them.
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Sometimes pro features become so common that they are no longer considered pro. This is harder to do with physical features but software and electronic can change pretty quick.
 
shaocaholica said:
There are file based systems that use .avi and .mov containers to record video and they are fine with splitting the stream at certain filesystem intervals like the common 4GB barrier. I don't think the GH1's ability has anything to do with AVCHD and more to do with their programmers going the extra mile. Im confident Canon engineers "could" make their cameras span multiple files if they wanted to.
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Yeh that would be nice.

I'm not in the field of work where I need this, event shooter need it though.
 
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