Canon R5 Announced with 8k

ahalpert said:
The only thing is - if you truly NEED an 8K camera, maybe you could afford RED? Or certainly UMP12K soon.

I just NEED 4K60p ATM. Does anyone NEED 8K right now? Perhaps a few do....
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Yours is a practical need, where A7SIII seems to check most of the desired boxes. R5 and its 8K are far more esoteric at this point, kind of like the Imperial Bösendorfer ... but slightly more affordable.

As to hacks, people mod anything these days, from the Mopar Chevelles to the Bedazzlers, from Tung-Sol-to-Svetlanas sub to the Daisy Dukes.
 
puredrifting said:
Dealing with the R5 or R6 in a professional capacity, for most of our typical use cases, isn't a wise move.
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My R5 was invaluable last week on a shoot aboard HMS Queen Elisabeth, using it on a gimbal with that AF made it an absolute joy to use. For the last few weeks, I've been using it more than my C500MKII.
 
DLD said:
Yours is a practical need, where A7SIII seems to check most of the desired boxes. R5 and its 8K are far more esoteric at this point, kind of like the Imperial Bösendorfer ... but slightly more affordable.

As to hacks, people mod anything these days, from the Mopar Chevelles to the Bedazzlers, from Tung-Sol-to-Svetlanas sub to the Daisy Dukes.
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Sounds like solutions for the indy crowd. The same people using BM cameras for MVs and shorts
 
ahalpert said:
What if you had to shoot 4k60p?
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I'd use my C500MKII on sticks or handheld. Of course, the R5 is fine for slow-mo in short bursts. The reason for using the R5 on this navy job was to take advantage of its small form factor and the amazing AF. It was a series of walk and talks filmed all over the ship (HMS QE2 is an aircraft carrier). In this instance, it was the right tool for the job. It was also great using my RoninS without having to put the wireless follow focus or an additional monitor on there.
 
Did a little dumb video, screwing around with the R6 in 4K60. I really love finally getting IBIS while going handheld with Canon glass and Canon DPAF. Shot in C-log and used a recent, official Canon LUT, and it worked well. All done with the EF 50mm 1.4.

I used a cheap AF variable-ND on the front, so may have skewed colors a bit. Also, not sure what my white balance was--either sunny or shade or cloudy. Seems a bit warm.

Also interesting side note: at least 1 shot used the metabones EF->RF Speedbooster. See if you can tell which shot is f/1.0.

About the speedbooster: it didn't work correctly. Lens seemed locked to max aperture, and I couldn't change it. The camera read f/1.4, but I compared the same settings without the speedbooster, and it DID seem brighter at 1.4 WITH the speedbooster. Also, the auto focus thought it was on (putting boxes around bokeh faces and such, but it wouldn't move the focus motor. I was still able to focus manually. I tried with the STM 50mm 1.8, and I couldn't focus at all. I emailed Metabone ssupport, and thery say they are working on a fix for the R5/R6.

 
DLD said:
I thought the pooch was more out of the focus (I was mad, bleeping mad at the out-of-focus bikini).
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Haha yeah. I was expecting the dog's eyes to catch the eye detect, but it didn't. I'll need to dive into the menus. I was just focusing on the eyes by leaning forward and back a bit.
 
drummondb said:
Did a little dumb video, screwing around with the R6 in 4K60. I really love finally getting IBIS while going handheld with Canon glass and Canon DPAF. Shot in C-log and used a recent, official Canon LUT, and it worked well. All done with the EF 50mm 1.4.

I used a cheap AF variable-ND on the front, so may have skewed colors a bit. Also, not sure what my white balance was--either sunny or shade or cloudy. Seems a bit warm.

Also interesting side note: at least 1 shot used the metabones EF->RF Speedbooster. See if you can tell which shot is f/1.0.

About the speedbooster: it didn't work correctly. Lens seemed locked to max aperture, and I couldn't change it. The camera read f/1.4, but I compared the same settings without the speedbooster, and it DID seem brighter at 1.4 WITH the speedbooster. Also, the auto focus thought it was on (putting boxes around bokeh faces and such, but it wouldn't move the focus motor. I was still able to focus manually. I tried with the STM 50mm 1.8, and I couldn't focus at all. I emailed Metabone ssupport, and thery say they are working on a fix for the R5/R6.

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gorgeous skintones and general color. not sure if the motion cadence on the jump at the beginning looks great.

how long can you shoot 4k60 without overheating?
 
ahalpert said:
gorgeous skintones and general color. not sure if the motion cadence on the jump at the beginning looks great.

how long can you shoot 4k60 without overheating?
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On firmware 1.1.0 (pre-installed) I can shoot about 40 to 50 minutes 4k60 to start, and then I have been able to continue shooting in 3 to 8 minute chuncks with 1 or 2 minute breaks between them. I did a test here: https://youtu.be/ErR3Tq4afpU
 
Let’s talk about DR and NR.

One of the important factors when choosing between R5, A7siii and the upcoming C70 is DR.
I thought it was clear that A7siii would be the winner together with C70 (if that will have the DGO of the C300iii). (compare for instance G Undone‘s VLog and test)

But then I got confused with the debate over at CineD comparing level of NR (talking primarily about FX9s result but not only):

https://www.cined.com/lab-test-sony-fx9-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-latitude/

So - you R5 users - do you feel the DR is more comparable if we also factor in NR?

A7sii-users and (A7siii-testers): is NR really that bad?

(I have only experience with C300m2 and A7r2)
 
James0b57 said:
Ha, there are litterally three threads now talking about DR.
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:-). I know its a bit all over the place... I just wanted to focus on ”our” specific-wish-to-buy-list in these threads... :-)
If people argue that the great Sony DR is “only” extensive NR it’s interesting... I haven’t really been thinking about the NR on the A7rii I used, I liked the soft highlight roll-off, but I didn’t like the sort of “thin” image... cannot describe it better... maybe that’s a sign of something? (but well Im considering the new sony anyway... also for the see-in-the-dark-experience)
 
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Vino said:
So - you R5 users - do you feel the DR is more comparable if we also factor in NR?
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Honestly I don't care at all about these discussions. For me it looks great. AF is fantastic.
The only downside is that I use the more expensive C300iii less than I have planned. ha ha..
 
Clermond said:
Honestly I don't care at all about these discussions. For me it looks great. AF is fantastic.
The only downside is that I use the more expensive C300iii less than I have planned. ha ha..
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I agree.

Firstly, lighter weight cameras are addicting to use.


Secondly, the DR argument is pretty relative pithing the 12-14stops DR. If one camera has 12.5 stops, and another has 13.5, the 13.5 camera will be better, but will still have many of the same issues, and none of them will be able to "capture the flame of a candle" sort of scene. Requires an Alexa and beyond. Between 12-14stops DR, it is more about the abilities of the film makers. Obvious more DR is better, especially these days, but if a camera doesn't have more than the Alexa, it is just going to have the same challenges as all the other cameras... going to have to watch those damned highlights.
 
James0b57 said:
I agree.

Firstly, lighter weight cameras are addicting to use.


Secondly, the DR argument is pretty relative pithing the 12-14stops DR. If one camera has 12.5 stops, and another has 13.5, the 13.5 camera will be better, but will still have many of the same issues, and none of them will be able to "capture the flame of a candle" sort of scene. Requires an Alexa and beyond. Between 12-14stops DR, it is more about the abilities of the film makers. Obvious more DR is better, especially these days, but if a camera doesn't have more than the Alexa, it is just going to have the same challenges as all the other cameras... going to have to watch those damned highlights.
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Yes but CineDs lab test - for what is worth - actually only showed between 10 - 10.8 DR for R5, so a bit lower than what I expected.
And the question is - will / how will it affect real world shooting?
Flame of the candle might be impossible but table lamp is a different thing. I remember going from blown out lamps with a 10-stop camera (GH4/5) to subtle gradation with C300m2/A7rii filming the same scene. It made a difference.
 
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