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It's weird, they never list ARRI's camera prices. And it's not about the money because there was a high-speed camera on the site for about ~$150,000 for many years (although it's been gone for a while now).
 
NorBro said:
It's weird, they never list ARRI's camera prices. And it's not about the money because there was a high-speed camera on the site for about ~$150,000 for many years (although it's been gone for a while now).
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I don't think ARRI wants them listed because it's the same on Abel Cine (or was ... maybe it's just some packages).
 
Regarding the Arri ethos ... a bit of a step up from Leica ... no Sultan of Brunei editions ... but not for the faint of heart.

Exclusivity mandates ... no negotiation ... at least in public ... no prices.

If you have to ask the price of this yacht ... look for another yacht club ... I assume the one tied to the trailer park
down the estuary would love your boat ....

And you can to a certain extent bracket the price within those listed.

But can you put a price on a coterie of fawning assistants? Which you will need to run most of their
hardware.
 
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docmoore said:
Exclusivity mandates ... no negotiation ... at least in public ... no prices.

If you have to ask the price of this yacht ... look for another yacht club ... I assume the one tied to the trailer park
down the estuary would love your boat ....

And you can to a certain extent bracket the price within those listed.

But can you put a price on a coterie of fawning assistants? Which you will need to run most of their
hardware.
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This reads like poetry.
 
Arri cameras were the same way back in the film days although granted that was when the Internet was barely a thing when I bought my SR2.
I think if you're going to buy a camera that costs more than $50k, you're going to want to deal with a person, not a website anyway so understandable.
 
puredrifting said:
Arri cameras were the same way back in the film days although granted that was when the Internet was barely a thing when I bought my SR2.
I think if you're going to buy a camera that costs more than $50k, you're going to want to deal with a person, not a website anyway so understandable.
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Yes. While I do buy a lot of stuff on the internet, I buy my real cameras from a person. I've had the same sales rep for almost 15 years. When it comes to things like that, I want support and support from someone I know and can trust and knows me and WHY I need the level of support I do and that I can reach out to pretty much anytime.

Right now, the only thing B&H has going for them is "reimbursing" me for sales tax. Their shipping(handing off to shipper) has become horribly slow and a lot of things that they used to stock have become special orders over the last few years. Honestly, there have been several things that I would have bought from them in the past and even things that I was about to order from them recently and I decided to check Amazon. Some things were the same price, some things were much less expensive, BUT all of them would be delivered in 2-3 days(max), as opposed to the roughly week + times that B&H has slipped to. And the return process is MUCH easier, even though I've always thought B&H was fairly easy, in the past(took almost a month for a monitor exchange that was in-stock).
 
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Run&Gun said:
Yes. While I do buy a lot of stuff on the internet, I buy my real cameras from a person. I've had the same sales rep for almost 15 years. When it comes to things like that, I want support and support from someone I know and can trust and knows me and WHY I need the level of support I do and that I can reach out to pretty much anytime.

Right now, the only thing B&H has going for them is "reimbursing" me for sales tax. Their shipping(handing off to shipper) has become horribly slow and a lot of things that they used to stock have become special orders over the last few years. Honestly, there have been several things that I would have bought from them in the past and even things that I was about to order from them recently and I decided to check Amazon. Some things were the same price, some things were much less expensive, BUT all of them would be delivered in 2-3 days(max), as opposed to the roughly week + times that B&H has slipped to. And the return process is MUCH easier, even though I've always thought B&H was fairly easy, in the past(took almost a month for a monitor exchange that was in-stock).
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It was difficult getting what I needed for an upcoming job. Not all B&H fault, but gear that is popular, useful, in demand is back ordered or out of stock. Aperture products for example for a long time has been in such high demand, and it has only gotten worse. This is the case for a lot of brands. With everyone doing remote videos and manufactures just can't keep up with the demand, add to that the stress of everyone buying online, the traditional shipping companies are getting swamped. Amazon has got around it because they have set up their own shipping entity almost like uber that can expand its workforce and in list everyday people to take up the slack. Amazon has become the online equivalent of Walmart.

Anyways I ended up having to go to three different retailers and buy some off brand cheaper Chinese equivalents because it was better having something than nothing. It's tricky if you have a job come up and you need gear it's difficult to get hold of in a timely manner.
 
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I dont like to defend faceless corporations, but I bought a slingstudio from B&H back in april because I thought it would take a long time to ship to me and I might need it soon. It only took a few days to arrive. Then Lumix released livestream firmware for the GH5 and nobody hired me right away for livestream anyway. So I returned the slingstudio and they didnt mind me returning it a few days past my return window. They refunded me promptly.

I've basically always had a good experience with B&H. And now that you can skip sales tax, they're usually the best price I can find, including taxes.

It's great to support your local camera store. But Amazon? If we all buy from Amazon and then B&H goes out of business, we will lose a tremendous resource
 
ahalpert said:
I dont like to defend faceless corporations, but I bought a slingstudio from B&H back in april because I thought it would take a long time to ship to me and I might need it soon. It only took a few days to arrive. Then Lumix released livestream firmware for the GH5 and nobody hired me right away for livestream anyway. So I returned the slingstudio and they didnt mind me returning it a few days past my return window. They refunded me promptly.

I've basically always had a good experience with B&H. And now that you can skip sales tax, they're usually the best price I can find, including taxes.

It's great to support your local camera store. But Amazon? If we all buy from Amazon and then B&H goes out of business, we will lose a tremendous resource
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I agree, I like B&H and see value in supporting it. Amazon has many issues. You never can never tell if the item is counterfeit, the price gouging... It's not all bad but I like choice and competition. You used to be assured of saving money on Amazon, but I often find products are the same price or more for household goods that you could buy in the store. It's starting to be accepted as you are getting the convenience of having it shipped directly to you.
 
ahalpert said:
I dont like to defend faceless corporations, but I bought a slingstudio from B&H back in april because I thought it would take a long time to ship to me and I might need it soon. It only took a few days to arrive. Then Lumix released livestream firmware for the GH5 and nobody hired me right away for livestream anyway. So I returned the slingstudio and they didnt mind me returning it a few days past my return window. They refunded me promptly.

I've basically always had a good experience with B&H. And now that you can skip sales tax, they're usually the best price I can find, including taxes.

It's great to support your local camera store. But Amazon? If we all buy from Amazon and then B&H goes out of business, we will lose a tremendous resource
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And B&H has been helping put local camera stores across the country out of business for years. But you’re a New Yorker, so they are a local camera store, for you. Talk to anyone at any of the other production/camera equipment dealers. They feel about B&H the way you feel about Amazon.
 
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Peter C. said:
I agree, I like B&H and see value in supporting it. Amazon has many issues. You never can never tell if the item is counterfeit, the price gouging... It's not all bad but I like choice and competition. You used to be assured of saving money on Amazon, but I often find products are the same price or more for household goods that you could buy in the store. It's starting to be accepted as you are getting the convenience of having it shipped directly to you.
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B&H has one of the best e-commerce sites in the world, especially for people like us.

Yes, you have to watch the pricing on Amazon. I’ve seen prices jump on items the day after I ordered them and I’ve seen prices that I would consider gouging, especially during the early months of the pandemic and not just from third party sellers. There are some things that I won’t buy, because of poor reviews that at the very least hint at the items being counterfeit, even though it’s a “sold by/ships from Amazon item”. The three things Amazon has going for it, generally speaking: 1) Selection/choices. 2) Unparalleled shipping speed/convenience. 3) Almost no questions asked returns/convenience/refunds. And #3 is even more important than #2(which has spoiled us all), because I’m never worried about getting stuck with anything for any reason.
 
docmoore said:
Regarding the Arri ethos ... a bit of a step up from Leica ... no Sultan of Brunei editions ... but not for the faint of heart.

Exclusivity mandates ... no negotiation ... at least in public ... no prices.

If you have to ask the price of this yacht ... look for another yacht club ... I assume the one tied to the trailer park
down the estuary would love your boat ....

And you can to a certain extent bracket the price within those listed.

But can you put a price on a coterie of fawning assistants? Which you will need to run most of their
hardware.
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These are cameras where the various accessories (i.e. an extra memory card) can easily (individually) add an extra $5,000 to the price. So they’re sold in packages that are negotiated by human beings.

It’s not that big of a deal. If you’re interested in the kit, you give your local Arri branch/dealer a call and ask for a quote. They send you a quote on a pdf.
 
Run&Gun said:
And B&H has been helping put local camera stores across the country out of business for years. But you’re a New Yorker, so they are a local camera store, for you. Talk to anyone at any of the other production/camera equipment dealers. They feel about B&H the way you feel about Amazon.
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Yes yes - I meant that if you're not going to buy from B&H, it's good to buy from your local camera store, not Amazon. (I understand the shipping speed issues in this case.)

B&H is like barmes & noble. Everyone hated barnes & noble for putting their local bookstores out of business. But then once amazon put them out of business, people realized how nicely it was to have a retailer that catered specifically to their needs and wasn't an everything store like amazon
 
Clermond said:
I just came home from a shooting with the C300iii and R5 and I ran into a serious issue of the R5 and guess what - it was not overheating in first place. Most shots were action shots with a gimbal and I used the Sigma 24-35/f2 as it does not extend the tube when changing the focal length. Normally I check the footage when we have a short break . With the R5 that's hardly possible as the files don't playback on my 2018 maxed out MBP neither with FCPX nor with KYNO.
I let the MBP convert some files in the car and went on shooting. When I came back I saw that the 24-35 Crane3 was totally jittery. The 24-105 EF Canon did well. I have no idea what has happend. I will have to look in this later.

But the problem is that I could not check the footage on the location.

I forgot to switch the camera off when I copied the files.
Capacity of 50p went down from 15min to zero without having shot a single clip.
At leat I could go on with 25p - but not being able to review the footage is a serious concern to me.
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I checked the jittery footage again. It's unusable. :(

I made a few tests and it seems that the Sigma 24-35/f2 and the IBIS of the R5 is a fatal combination. I never would have thought that. It's jittery like hell when the IBIS is on. I double checked everything. The description is correct. The ZeissContax with IBIS is wonderful. The 24-105 is great and smooth. The Sigma 24-35 is a nightmare.

https://vimeo.com/448078025/7e9ad69eac

What I found out: when you have an OIS lens attached to a body with IBIS, the lens and body act as ONE stabilization system, hence the physical toggle in the lens being the on/off switch for the entire “integrated lens-body” stabilization system. You cannot activate / de-activate IBIS in the menu. It doesn't show up in the menu. It appears only for lenses without OIS.

regarding playback:
I have only a 12.9" iPadPro 2nGen and I purchased the USB 3 to lighting camera adapter. It's a bit cumbersome as you need to power the adapter via the lighting port. The Canon card is detected in the files app but when you open the folder with the video files the card disappears in the menu. There was no playback in this way. I purchased the luma fusion app then. You can select the Canon card as a source and you can playback the clips. You don't need to import the files. Unfortunately is wasn't fluid. I don't know if it's only an issue of my older iPad or a general issue. I downloaded one file and once it was on the iPad the playback in luma fusion was very smooth.
I will stick with HDMI playback for now.

Note to myself:
- read again the old notes where it's recommended not to go for a shooting with untested equipment and lens / camera combinations.
 
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