Canon R5 Announced with 8k

DLD said:
this is turning into a PR nightmare for Canon and, instead of the "deflect & deny & delay" policy, it behooves them to come clean, suggest some form of accommodation to its users and propose a consumer friendly outcome. Because that loyal consumer is leaving the photo-video industry in droves.
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Oh please with the drama. Canon reps were up front from the beginning. Anyone that received their camera was aware.
 
ahalpert said:
hmm...there are always trade-offs. but people have used mirrorless cameras as a cams for a while. i work for a corporate agency that shoots everything on their gh5 cams and only hires my fs7 when the client will be on-site

you're giving canon a free pass. the trade-off should be that it's a dinky body with no mounting options that must be rigged for shoulder mounting
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Canon didn't try to hide anything if you read the manual/video recording time specs you would know what you were getting yourself in for. There are always fan boys eager to defend the new tech they ran out at bought and contort their practices to make it work even if it's not the right tool. In truth many people are emotional idiots willing to throw their money at the latest tech. People on forums are doubly illogical. If you can afford to spend this much on a small form factor b-roll camera then fine by all means get the camera.
 
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mico said:
Oh please with the drama. Canon reps were up front from the beginning. Anyone that received their camera was aware.
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sure, there's no need to get emotional. but canon led us down the rosy path with months of dangling specs in front of us and no mention of the limitations they knew of all along.
 
ahalpert said:
hmm...there are always trade-offs. but people have used mirrorless cameras as a cams for a while. i work for a corporate agency that shoots everything on their gh5 cams and only hires my fs7 when the client will be on-site

you're giving canon a free pass. the trade-off should be that it's a dinky body with no mounting options that must be rigged for shoulder mounting
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My comment was a generalization and not tied directly to do with the R5 or Canon.
 
I just checked my footage from yesterday and it's fantastic.
I really still like my S1 but the tracking AF gives me many more options.
Clog is easy to grade Clog2 would be welcome though

The fact that I had no overheating issues isn't a carte blanche.
 
ahalpert said:
sure, there's no need to get emotional. but canon led us down the rosy path with months of dangling specs in front of us and no mention of the limitations they knew of all along.
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But before you were able to order one, they clearly stated the limitations. This isn’t something that was hidden and that came out after customers received them. If someone bought one, they had all the information beforehand to make an informed purchasing decision.
 
Run&Gun said:
But before you were able to order one, they clearly stated the limitations. This isn’t something that was hidden and that came out after customers received them. If someone bought one, they had all the information beforehand to make an informed purchasing decision.
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absolutely. and i'm not upset and i don't feel cheated. but if one wants to know why some people are upset - that's why. consumers are entitled. you shouldn't play with their hearts. that's why it's a pr trainwreck. and personally i think they intentionally neglected the design. but hey that's their choice

a few months ago, Canon was saying this: "As the specs show, the EOS R5 is not the ‘fantasy’ that many speculated was too good to be true..."
 
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ahalpert said:
hmm...there are always trade-offs. but people have used mirrorless cameras as a cams for a while. i work for a corporate agency that shoots everything on their gh5 cams and only hires my fs7 when the client will be on-site
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They haven't used mirrorless cameras that shoot 8K. I hope this isn't too harsh, but I have little sympathy for people trying to get away with using a hybrid as an A cam when there are so many decent affordable video cameras on the market.


ahalpert said:
sure, there's no need to get emotional. but canon led us down the rosy path with months of dangling specs in front of us and no mention of the limitations they knew of all along.
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That will be the internet leading you down that path. Stay off Canon Rumours and only react to official announcements and you'll manage your expectations better:-)

ahalpert said:
absolutely. and i'm not upset and i don't feel cheated. but if one wants to know why some people are upset - that's why. consumers are entitled. you shouldn't play with their hearts. that's why it's a pr trainwreck. and personally i think they intentionally neglected the design. but hey that's their choice
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The launch of the C300 was heavily criticised. After a few months, it was obvious it would be a massive success. The R5 is already a massive success - they are selling by the bucket load.


Clermond said:
I just checked my footage from yesterday and it's fantastic.
I really still like my S1 but the tracking AF gives me many more options.
Clog is easy to grade Clog2 would be welcome though

The fact that I had no overheating issues isn't a carte blanche.
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Great to hear! I'm still waiting for my EF adapter to come so can't shoot anything until Tuesday on it.
 
The irony of all of this is that everyone whom doesn't own the camera is upset about it and everyone who does isn't.
 
NorBro said:
The irony of all of this is that everyone whom doesn't own the camera is upset about it and everyone who does isn't.
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i mean, it's not that ironic... the people who aren't buying it are annoyed it doesn't record limitlessly... it's not as if purchasing it would change that...
 
NorBro said:
Yeah...I think half of them never actually planned on purchasing it in the first place.
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Maybe. Who cares. For me it was R5 vs A7SIII. I like to debate these things but I don't understand the heated passions. A camera and a company are things, not people. They won't love you back.

And at the end of the day - they shot Hannah Grace on the A7SII. They pulled focus on The Godfather on the lens barrel (or so I heard). If the tool works for you, what do you care what anyone else thinks? The glory speaks for itself
 
NorBro said:
What is the TTL solution?
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Through the Lens (should it be "through a pseudo lens"?)

mico said:
Oh please with the drama. Canon reps were up front from the beginning. Anyone that received their camera was aware.
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You are incorrect. Canon did not mention the overheating until the very time of release and, worst of all, did not mention at all how long it would take the cameras to sufficiently cool down in order to become more than a $4,000 paperweight. (a $2,500 paperweight in case of R6). In fact, it still doesn't provide that data. That second factor alone makes their advertising campaign deceiving and the company itself subject to massive litigation. One can almost dismiss a minor detail where they claimed a certain recording limit in a 23C/73F room temperature, fully knowing that a lot of shooting isn't done at room temperature.

And, please, look around the early on hands YouTube reviews, where the reviewer ended up with a grim face at the end.
 
I like this post over on the Komodo thread on REDUser:


Yes indeed haha. Speaking of “so damn hot” here is the cooling system on Komodo. Luckily it keeps everything quite cool.
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And a follow-up reply:
Half the camera is cooling! No wonder why something like the R5 over heats the way it does.
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And then a nice little analyses by someone we all know on here, but goes by another name:
I expected this cooling tunnel design months ago when the body design was first revealed. Electronics mounted to heat sinks on all four sides of the tunnel are still hermetically sealed off from the outside environment. No exposure to dust and moisture. Fans are the only vulnerable electronics.

The elegant sophistication of Komodo's engineering, mechanically, electronically, and visually with its imagery becomes more apparent every day.
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