Canon R5 Announced with 8k

It also looks like the R5 will have overheating issues and be a jello cam in 4K24p since it oversamples from 8K:

"Even after being completely inactive and turned off for 20 minutes, the camera stops recording 8K after just 8 minutes subsequently once back in action. This is a severe limitation in my view.

Unfortunately this overheating problem isn’t limited just to 8K.

Since the 4K at cinematic frame rates (24p,25p) and at 30p is oversampled from the full 8K sensor output, these too are limited." (EOSHD)
 
Yeah, the GFX isn't the one to buy for it's ibis and AF capabilities but I personally do find the sensor size difference quite appealing, even if it's on the smaller end for medium format.
Considering buying the R5 as an upgrade from an X-T3 but then I keep thinking what I really want is the GFX 100.
We use a Canon C300 Mk II, 5D at work but lately have been using my X-T3 more and more at work for both video and stills.
Getting back to the R5, I'll need to watch it again but at first glance the 4k 120p didn't seem crippled, it was holding rather nicely.
 
ahalpert said:
The R6 is looking like the winner to me. The only problem is it generates headlines like this "Canon’s EOS R6 Captures 4K At A Discount" and perceptions matter
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Both cameras are crippled or, at best, undercooked.

If you thought that, with Canon, there was always going to be a catch, yous wuz not wrong.
 
ahalpert said:
The R6 is looking like the winner to me. The only problem is it generates headlines like this "Canon’s EOS R6 Captures 4K At A Discount" and perceptions matter
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Who are you worried about marketing either one of these cameras to that it really matters? It’s not Alexa vs. P4K or Fx-9, here. In my world these cameras are lock-off alternate angle or small gimbal cameras. No one really gives a crap if it’s a Sony A7 or Canon and they most certainly don’t care which specific model Canon. Do corporate producers care? Do Brides care? I’m actually being serious. Who’s really caring outside of a rental situation or when a specific feature that only one does is wanted/needed?
 
Teddy_Dem said:
They really went with Micro HDMI? Yeah, that is extremely disappointing. I hate Micro HDMI so much.
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I came close to wrecking my GH4 cameras because of the dang Micro HDMI, and then with the GH5 having a full size HDMI, I never wanted to go back to Micro anything.
 
ahalpert said:
It also looks like the R5 will have overheating issues and be a jello cam in 4K24p since it oversamples from 8K: Since the 4K at cinematic frame rates (24p,25p) and at 30p is oversampled from the full 8K sensor output, these too are limited." (EOSHD)
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From Jared Polin's latest video...

* 8K movie recording (RAW, DCI, UHD) has restrictions on possible recording time due to the temperature rise. Max possible recording time is approx. 20 min. (at room temperature)

*4K 60p movie cropped recording has restrictions on possible recording time due to the temperature rise. Max possible recording time is approx 25 min. (at room temperature)

Check the text on screen at 9:17

 
Run&Gun said:
Who are you worried about marketing either one of these cameras to that it really matters? It’s not Alexa vs. P4K or Fx-9, here. In my world these cameras are lock-off alternate angle or small gimbal cameras. No one really gives a crap if it’s a Sony A7 or Canon and they most certainly don’t care which specific model Canon. Do corporate producers care? Do Brides care? I’m actually being serious. Who’s really caring outside of a rental situation or when a specific feature that only one does is wanted/needed?
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This is more or less true. It doesn't largely matter. But if anyone knows you have "the cheap one" it's not a great look. I get hired by wedding video companies, not brides. But as long as my camera is on their list of accepted cameras, they only care about how my shots look.

Back when I had a 60D I used to show up to some multicamera stuff and the producer would hand me a 5Dmk3 to shoot with instead. So later I bought the 5D as clearly the 60D was not a good look (different league to the R6 of course).

Or to look at it from another angle - the A7SII is still requested/accepted although it's crappy by comparison to newer Sonys in several ways. But it was the "good video" body, so it remains in contention.

Perceptions matter. But I'm still leaning R6 out of these 2 and upcoming A7SIII
 
So, it looks as something barely hybrid. Some video for the stills shooters. Not horrible but very compromised.

Maybe C100 MKIII will be it. But likely C200 would have to do. C200B is the same price anyway.
 
DLD said:
So, it looks as something barely hybrid. Some video for the stills shooters. Not horrible but very compromised.

Maybe C100 MKIII will be it. But likely C200 would have to do. C200B is the same price anyway.
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Oh? My S1 had only long-GOP codecs and I was satisfied. I dumped it to get AF and no-crop 4K60. The R6 should have great AF. Better than C200. Better low-light. Much more gimbal friendly, and great IBIS to boot
 
Isn't there a crop on all 4k modes with the R6? Thought I read that somewhere but such a blitz of info I could be wrong
 
That's not too bad, the biggest disappointment for me (other than the worry about RS and over heating) seems to be the DR of both cameras, only 12 stops in this day and age is quite a bit behind the S1 and the C200 in RAW
 
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Wow lots of discussion here today, haven't had time to dig through it all but overall a nice announcement it seems. Curious to see what sony will announce soon to compete but not holding my breath with how long its taken for the A7S III. That said the Canon has me worried in a few stops (both R5 and R6). Rolling shutter, over heating (the a6300 was terrible because of it) and that dynamic range.

They seem like great hybrid cameras though and I was thinking of possibly changing over to RF for stills work so we will see. The cameras keep getting cheaper which is great cause that will make upgrading gear easier haha.
 
ade4all said:
That's not too bad, the biggest disappointment for me (other than the worry about RS and over heating) seems to be the DR of both cameras, only 12 stops in this day and age is quite a bit behind the S1 and the C200 in RAW
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Well the S1 was measured by cinema5D at 12.3 stops or something. So, in theory, if the R5/R6 produced 12 good stops, it wouldn't be far behind. Some of the footage I've seen looks pretty nice. Nice color at any rate
 
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