Canon R5 Announced with 8k

ahalpert said:
Canonrumors has leaked the US prices. And man - these super-telephotos are super-cheap (albeit super-slow)

Canon EOS R bodies to be announced tomorrow

Canon EOS R5 $3899
Canon EOS R5 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $4999
Canon EOS R6 $2499
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm IS STM $2899
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $3599

Canon RF lenses to be announced tomorrow

Canon RF 85mm f/2 IS STM $599
Canon RF 100-500mm f/4-7.1L IS USM $2699
Canon RF 600mm f/11 IS STM $699
Canon RF 800mm f/11 IS STM $899
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The RF lineup continues to underwhelm. Nobody wants to shoot f/11 lenses. Is that real? I've never heard of the big 3
introducing such an incredibly long slow lens. I wouldn't even want an f/4-7.1, that's weak.
The 85mm seems reasonable and has IS which is useful on a 85mm prime.
 
True but the EF 800mm is f/5.6 and $13k. You pay $12k more and only gain 2 stops

So the RF 800mm is clearly a hobbyist lens. Too slow to allow the shutter speeds that bird and sports photographers need. But affordable for amateur birders who don't mind cranking the ISO and are happy to have the reach at all? Personally, I never need more than 400mm full-frame tops.
 
puredrifting said:
The RF lineup continues to underwhelm. Nobody wants to shoot f/11 lenses. Is that real? I've never heard of the big 3
introducing such an incredibly long slow lens. I wouldn't even want an f/4-7.1, that's weak.
The 85mm seems reasonable and has IS which is useful on a 85mm prime.
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ahalpert said:
True but the EF 800mm is f/5.6 and $13k. You pay $12k more and only gain 2 stops

So the RF 800mm is clearly a hobbyist lens. Too slow to allow the shutter speeds that bird and sports photographers need. But affordable for amateur birders who don't mind cranking the ISO and are happy to have the reach at all? Personally, I never need more than 400mm full-frame tops.
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Honestly, the 600 and 800 could be useful for video since we don't typically shoot at high shutter speeds and usually always have at least 2-4 stops of ND rolled in when outdoors during the day. One of the best lens purchases I ever made was the Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6. And I use it with center punch, a lot.
 
That's a good point. I've gone to f/11 or 16 on sunny days at ISO 100 without ND. Maybe I could occasionally use a 600... also, the EF 600mm f/4 weighs 6.7 lbs but the RF weighs only 2.

What do you use 400 + center punch on? Sports?
 
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- Has a few LUTs for monitoring (but no loading of personal LUTs).
- Zebras, histogram, focus magnification, but supposedly NO peaking (not sure if that's really true...EOS R has peaking).

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It appears 4K/60p has a recording limit of 25 minutes in the cropped mode?

They say this but with a typo...'copped'?

"4K 60p movie copped recording has restrictions on possible recording time due to the temperature rise. Max possible recording time is approx. 25 min. (at room temperature)."
 
Based upon what I see, the R6 actually seems like what most users would want. It's affordable, 4K 4:2:2 10bit, FHD to 120 fps.
I give Canon props, they finally have two mirrorless cameras that have great specs and are at a reasonable cost. I want to
see Jello tests though.

The RF lens lineup with these new additions, is not very impressive, I would be using the adapter with the built-in ND and my EF lenses.
 
The Canon R5 and R6 look great out of the gate, but a few facts dimmed my enthusiasm a bit...

1- 30 minute maximum internal recording time 4K 30p and lower fps

2- 20 minute maximum internal recording time in 8K ( RAW, DCI, UHD )

3- 25 minute maximum internal recording time in 4K 60p

4- Micro HDMI out port ( I had such nightmares with these things on my GH4 )

So from a production perspective this does not seem to be going after the Panasonic S1H shoot all day in any format or CODEC mantra. ( might help to lower the cost of the S1H when these cameras hit the market )
 
TheDingo said:
The Canon R5 and R6 look great out of the gate, but a few facts dimmed my enthusiasm a bit...

1- 30 minute maximum internal recording time 4K 30p and lower fps

2- 20 minute maximum internal recording time in 8K ( RAW, DCI, UHD )

3- 25 minute maximum internal recording time in 4K 60p

4- Micro HDMI out port ( I had such nightmares with these things on my GH4 )

So from a production perspective this does not seem to be going after the Panasonic S1H shoot all day in any format or CODEC mantra. ( might help to lower the cost of the S1H when these cameras hit the market )
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You're pretty much covered in every resolution with ALL-I or IPB ranging from 60mbps to 2600mbps, so finally in one Canon camera the codec card can't be played too much. If the IBIS is as good as S1H's (a tall order), the only thing the S1H would have going for it is no recording limits (which less than 1% who use stills camera to shoot video care about). And its full HDMI (which even less than .5% using this camera care about).
 
The rolling shutter could also be poor, it looks like the full 8K sensor readout is used to also produce 4K in 24p, 25p.
R6 may well be a better camera for those who want decent 4K
 
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Thanks for the heads up on the bit depths. 10bit for C-Log is fine. I can see that they do not want to implement upper level encoding for the picture profiles which are 8-bit and probably limited to h.264

One disappointment for me was seeing that RAW video is only available for 8k shooting. So no 4k or HD RAW video. That kind of limits the need for the R5 unless one wants to shoot 8k. The R6 is pretty much there outside of the better viewfinder and any image quality differences.

Happy to see the weight of the bodies. The R6 is actually lighter than the GH5, so it will be a monster gimbal camera paired with a light prime lens. The R5 is not very much heavier than the GH5. So both will work handheld on a "normal" gimbal.

I wish a 1080p240 mode was implemented on the R5 but I realize not many use this. Seems like the horsepower might be there.

The record time limits on the lower resolutions are kind of a pain. Probably can be worked around but the micro HDMI kind of kills the workaround. I would say this is the weakest part of the release.

I will let the viewfinder kind of make my decisions here. It will be interesting to see how much better the R5 is to shoot with given that its viewfinder has a lot more DPI. This is a big future proof component since we are in the early stages of a mirrorless transition. This applies more to still use but I a huge consideration when you think a few years down the road.

Great to see Canon applying themselves to this market segment. These are very competent cameras with quite a few options for folks of varying use and financial commitment.
 
R5 also has more MP for your stills if it matters.

And RAW video in other resolutions than its native one is pretty uncommon (although some cameras do offer various options).
 
Also, a major difference - which I totally understand is not important to everyone - is the 4K/120p.

If the R5 maxed out at 4K/60p, the R6 would be such an easier choice - but I think the 4K/120p is a great feature to have (if it looks great). We already have enough slow-motion on planet earth, but it truly can really save you as far as b-roll is concerned and filling up gaps in edits. Sometimes 60p isn't slow enough.

But this is all well and good if there's actually work available and life is normal.
 
1080p240 would seal the deal for me as I use an older RX 10 II for certain sports applications. Reviews will need to determine if there is an image quality difference between the two cameras. From the initial view, 8k seems like a weak reason to choose the R5 although I am sure the footage will look nice. Not crazy about any crop in a camera, so that is a slight negative for the R6.

More MPX for stills can be overkill and just fill up hard drives. I am not sure if the R5 has a way to limit the RAW file size or resolution when shooting stills.
 
TheDingo said:
The Canon R5 and R6 look great out of the gate, but a few facts dimmed my enthusiasm a bit...

1- 30 minute maximum internal recording time 4K 30p and lower fps

2- 20 minute maximum internal recording time in 8K ( RAW, DCI, UHD )

3- 25 minute maximum internal recording time in 4K 60p

4- Micro HDMI out port ( I had such nightmares with these things on my GH4 )

So from a production perspective this does not seem to be going after the Panasonic S1H shoot all day in any format or CODEC mantra. ( might help to lower the cost of the S1H when these cameras hit the market )
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They really went with Micro HDMI? Yeah, that is extremely disappointing. I hate Micro HDMI so much.
 
Peter McKinnon is a Canon "ambassador" and has had a preproduction unit for several months. Some quirks, some question marks, overall seems solid (may overheat in 4K 120)

PS. Was beaten to the punch, so I'll remove the link.
 
I think the R5 will be DOA based on what Canon said about its rolling shutter. Maybe its readout speed is good in 4K, but only if it's not doing a full readout. It's also disappointing that its ISO range is much lower than the 1DXmk3 if that's an indication of noise at 50k iso.

The recording limits are a bit disappointing. 8-bit only on non-HDR formats was anticipated but still disappointing.

The R6 is more exciting to me being cheaper, better RS, better low-light. Let's see what the A7SIII looks like.

What Newsshooter wrote about rolling shutter on R5:

"Canon was quite cagey when I asked about rolling shutter performance, preferring to say that the amount of rolling shutter that people find acceptable is subjective."
 
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