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ahalpert said:
Which DJI? How was the video sent? Can you monitor video and control the gimbal in the same interface? Technically, I could do both from my phone (not sure about live monitoring video), but they would open in 2 different apps. I could rig 2 iPad minis to my gimbal... I'm not sure how good the results are operating gimbal from phone. If you need remote access, then anything is better than nothing. Can you operate by tilting your phone and using the accelerometer in the phone and does that work well?
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Ronin SC or S, I can't remember. We had both models out at one point.

It was video game style. Two separate phones. But all in, the whole setup was under $7K. That is amazing. A remote stabilized head, camera and lens, and wireless feed and monitor under $7K is unheard of not long ago. Considering these are just early days, very promising.
 
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Tamerlin said:
I'd be willing to bet that you'd get the same level of stealth if you used a small box style camera like a ZCam with one of the less obtrusive handheld rigs out there. Or just put some weight on it so that it has SOME inertia... though now that gimbals are so common, you could probably use one of those and not be noticed as long as it doesn't have an obvious and recognizable logo on it.
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I JUST read on another page on dvxuser somewhere that someone tried to shoot guerrilla with the z cam and got booted. They came back the following week with a pocket 4k and had no problem. I bet that using an external monitor with the z cam was the giveaway.

And I get your point that an Alexa alone does not win you Oscars. But a movie is just a collection of technical decisions and performances. I remember hearing about a conversation between Roman Polanski and his DP Billy Fraker on Rosemary's Baby. Polanski wanted to shoot a CU of the lead actress on a wide-angle and Fraker was trying to tell him that's not how it was done. But Polanski got his way. Take away that one little technical decision and you diminish the film. Keep taking them away and making the film more and more generic and it's no longer Rosemary's Baby.
 
James0b57 said:
Ronin SC or S, I can't remember. We had both models out at one point.

It was video game style. Two separate phones. But all in, the whole setup was under $7K. That is amazing. A remote stabilized head, camera and lens, and wireless feed and monitor under $7K is unheard of not long ago. Considering these are just early days, very promising.
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Which camera was sending the live video feed?

It's early days, but I don't expect prices to drop by much more, only for quality to improve. (Although the discontinued product and used prices might scrape the very bottom several years after launch.)

Just to clarify - video game style means pushing a virtual joystick on screen?
 
While a few models of cameras are starting to include wireless video, we were using an external device. I do not know the model or brand. a cheap pocketable thing. Not super reliable, but fun to have for fun, or in a pinch.
 
ahalpert said:
It's early days, but I don't expect prices to drop by much more, only for quality to improve. (Although the discontinued product and used prices might scrape the very bottom several years after launch.)
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I really don't know how prices will change. This stuff becomes increasingly "off the shelf". But yeah, I meant it in terms of improving in functionality.

Just to clarify - video game style means pushing a virtual joystick on screen?
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yes, like virtual joystick. The circle you put your thumb on and move around the screen.
 
It is crazy that this gear is so cheap and just around, that I don't even always bother to know what they are called anymore. There are far more options than I am aware of, much less keep track of.

DIY hacker types are also becoming more common. See a bunch of people building things that seem too high tech to be home spun, but between off the shelf tech and programing, there are a growing number of options even outside the typical consumer routes.
 
James0b57 said:
While a few models of cameras are starting to include wireless video, we were using an external device. I do not know the model or brand. a cheap pocketable thing. Not super reliable, but fun to have for fun, or in a pinch.
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My S1 can do wifi monitoring to an app but I haven't played with it. One issue for me is that it won't be high res enough or possibly low latency enough to pull focus, so I'll need my 7" ikan anyway. If I never wanted to pull manually and had good AF, I could potentially ditch the ikan and just go wifi. It's not clear to me, however, looking at the S1 manual online that you can adjust shutter speed or aperture in the wifi app, which would be odd. Different brands/models have different implementations.
 
ahalpert said:
My S1 can do wifi monitoring to an app but I haven't played with it. One issue for me is that it won't be high res enough or possibly low latency enough to pull focus, so I'll need my 7" ikan anyway. If I never wanted to pull manually and had good AF, I could potentially ditch the ikan and just go wifi. It's not clear to me, however, looking at the S1 manual online that you can adjust shutter speed or aperture in the wifi app, which would be odd. Different brands/models have different implementations.
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Somethings are just moving so fast (while others do not) it is pretty great. Just a little while ago the idea of wirelessly controlling a camera from a GUI device was a pricey add-on.

Even the Offhollywood transmitter for the Red came out, it was considered cheap.

It is kind of funny on my Red Ranger, the wireless control comes built in, but teradek has an option, as well as the C-motion, so at any given moment, I have at least three devices that can remotely control the camera. It is almost confusing, haha.
 
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Yeah and a wireless follow focus couldn't be had for like less than $2k just a few years ago. And remote heads, like you mentioned...you can now do the basic job with a gimbal.

Of course, there's still the desire for geared heads and o'connor tripods, the alexa will still command a premium price. Big productions that want to maximize image control and are spending so much on everything else that the camera department budget is a small portion - they'll still pay whatever the top-notch equipment manufacturers demand.

But nowadays when you can deliver 75% of the quality and control of the best tools with toys that cost 5-10% of the real thing, I think it's a golden opportunity for indy filmmakers and doc/corporate/whatever. Though obviously the rest of the production still costs just as much.
 
ahalpert said:
Yeah and a wireless follow focus couldn't be had for like less than $2k just a few years ago. And remote heads, like you mentioned...you can now do the basic job with a gimbal.

Of course, there's still the desire for geared heads and o'connor tripods, the alexa will still command a premium price. Big productions that want to maximize image control and are spending so much on everything else that the camera department budget is a small portion - they'll still pay whatever the top-notch equipment manufacturers demand.

But nowadays when you can deliver 75% of the quality and control of the best tools with toys that cost 5-10% of the real thing, I think it's a golden opportunity for indy filmmakers and doc/corporate/whatever. Though obviously the rest of the production still costs just as much.
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Totally!

earlier today I was trying to look up the Ronin model to answer your question and saw their demo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Kusls2yhc

The fact that these things can be done on sub $2K kits, and by one person crew.... (disregarding the video beyond the first 30seconds, as I didn't watch that far)

I get really excited because I think about what that means for film making. Now almost anyone with drive can get something like this and be less limited than Hitchcock in some ways. Good times for stories.
 
Yeah and you can pass a little pistol grip gimbal to another crewman and send the camera through the crack in a door. Done that when appropriate.

I like to think about what Kubrick would have done with today's tools. He was all over emerging technology. So much of the action is in lighting, too. He would have written the book on employing LEDs for his environmental lighting, liberated camera style. They also might have prevented him from burning down the set of The Shining with all the heat from his army of hotlights.
 
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Yeah and you can pass a little pistol grip gimbal to another crewman and send the camera through the crack in a door. Done that when appropriate.
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That sounds really cool!


I like to think about what Kubrick would have done with today's tools. He was all over emerging technology. So much of the action is in lighting, too. He would have written the book on employing LEDs for his environmental lighting, liberated camera style. They also might have prevented him from burning down the set of The Shining with all the heat from his army of hotlights.
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Ha! That is a wild thought. I forget that he was very much into tech.

Although, with the way he researches, newer tech trends would fly by him.
 
Well, Kubrick used steadicam and video assist on The Shining. And he had the famous NASA f/0.7 lenses modded for Barry Lyndon. And he helped pioneer a lot of SFX for 2001 along with innovative AC usage to keep his set from burning. He was all over film tech, and didn't just research his film subjects. (Of course, he had no life and never went on vacation. He was probably a bit autistic IMO - many of the greats are, it seems.)

Here is the gimbal shot I was thinking of in a dance video I shot where I pass the camera to the B cam op in the shot starting at 2:17 -
 
Wayward cube is dope! Love the camera moves. Is that in NYC? LA has a lot of collaboration, but doesn't seem anywhere near the level of New York. But I am just going off your profile.
 
DLD said:
Very Urusevski-like.
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Just looked up Urusevski because I didn't know him. I see he shot Soy Cuba and I vaguely remember that film - famous for the amazing camera transition moves, I've got to check it out again
 
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James0b57 said:
Wayward cube is dope! Love the camera moves. Is that in NYC? LA has a lot of collaboration, but doesn't seem anywhere near the level of New York. But I am just going off your profile.
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Thanks man, yes it's in NYC. I think we were in Columbia University somewhere. This project/client is unique for me. In 2016, I was hired to shoot a music video for a 16-year old singer/songwriter when their previous cameraman was out of town. Her aunt, Liz, is a low-millionaire textiles heiress who lives in Manhattan and is married to a lawyer. Liz asks me if I can edit the video. Then she asks me if I can teach her video editing. I thought it would be 1 or 2 sessions at most but she hired me for 8-12 hour days at a decent rate for like once or twice a week thru 2018 to both sboot and edit for her and teach her how to do it as well. In 2019 we slowed down and she does like once a month now, or did before the pandemic. Best client I ever had. She's moved more into still photography and I set her up to shoot in her studio mostly without me (but I taught her everything she knows, as they say). Here's her IG: https://www.instagram.com/lizschneidercohen/

Wayward Cube features a cube sculpture made by an artist who has a studio in the same building Liz does. He's the painter you see in the video. Liz hired the cameramen and dancers, so it's not a pure collaboration (although it lacked any commercial outlet- that's the beauty of being an heiress.) I think she shot stills of the lead dancer at a live performance and that's how she found her and her troupe.
 
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ahalpert said:
Just looked up Urusevski because I didn't know him. I see he shot Soy Cuba and I vaguely remember that film - famous for the amazing camera transition moves, I've got to check it out again
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I opened a thread about the old Soviet films on the "off-topic" forum a while ago and linked to "Soy Cuba" when was uploaded by Mosfilm onto their YouTube channel. They quickly took it off, as Mosfilm doesn't have the global distribution rights. The most famous sequences of the film, however, have been on YouTube for a long time.

NorBro said:
How's a Russian going to incorrectly use ski? You're slacking...lol.
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Ah, but since the Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians use Cyrillic, one can use either "i" or "y". In Polish Latin, it's "y" mostly, although I have a friend whose Radom born father came here after the war and he uses an "i".

As do the Cohen Brothers.

PS. Recently, I've made a few FB friends with several Soviet immigrants. They have been in the US for a long time but still have friends and/or family back there. Plus, I made some friends off old friends who had never left. So now I have to navigate through Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian posts. And sometimes, I'll switch onto a Cyrillic keyboard only to catch myself on the fact that I am supposed to typing in English.

тыпинг ин енглисч
 
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In Poland, it's 99% "i"! No y almost ever.

Both exist, naturally, but you'll be hard-pressed to find many Russians using i and Polacks using y.
 
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