Canon R5 Announced with 8k

mico said:
Yeah I forgot that 28-70mm is big. 3.15lbs big. The 70-200mm is 2.35lbs. Is any iBIs going to do the job at 200mm for video.
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Hmm well I feel like the 70-200mm IS II image stabilization does the job for video. So I would expect their new IBIS to as well. What is your standard for "doing the job"? Smoothing it out nicely or looking like a tripod handheld?
 
Trek of Joy said:
I hate to play the buy/test/return game even though B&H's policies clearly allow it, but this is one where I'd need to spend some time trying to cover all scenarios to see if it'll work. Like what if I accidentally left the Ninja batteries at home on the charger and I'm 200 miles away? Ugh.
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Hmm I feel like if you're worried about forgetting something, well...you could always forget something crucial. Camera batteries. Memory cards. What's the difference? True, it's one MORE thing to forget. But that particular example wouldn't stop me.

I feel like the better question is - could you live with dropping down to pixel-binned 4K when forced to? Then you can probably roll without fear. I think it will still overheat recording externally in about 2-3x as long
 
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Newsshooter's take on the tilta fan:

"Look, you can’t blame Tilta for making a solution for what appears to be a real-world problem, regardless of how ridiculous this product first appears to be. The fact that a product like this even needs to be made in the first place points to a far greater issue. I know the EOS R5 is just a camera, but imagine if a car company brought out a car and they didn’t put a big enough radiator in it and you could only drive it on certain days for a certain amount of time before you had to pull over, shut the engine down and wait till it was cool enough to start driving again."
 
Trek of Joy said:
New to this discussion, but I have the R5 preordered and the RF 24-70 paired with the EOS R. I passed on the 28-70 for two reasons - the insane filter size (I use vari-ND for video and have a NISI 100mm system for landscape photos) and some of the worst focus breathing I've ever seen in a lens. Its brilliant in some situations and would make a great photo event lens, but a hard pass on the video side from me.

As far as the discussion on the R5, I'm starting to waver on my preorder. I also shoot Sony and now I'm pondering the a7s3. I shoot a lot of stills and video, so I'm trying to find the unicorn 1-camera solution that will allow me to grab content without lots of lens swaps and juggling multiple cameras. I want 120fps for some nice slow-mo and AF as I'm a touch farsighted. Manual focus is pretty much impossible for me in the bright sun - and I live in Florida so that's more or less everything I shoot. Great video AF is a must-have for me. The R5 looked like everything I wanted in a camera finally came to be as its taken what I like about the R and turned it up to 11. But I'm really worried about the overheating - and I don't shoot any long takes - I'm a total ENG shooter that does short interviews and just rolls for 10 seconds and moves to another spot. I constantly turn off the camera to preserve batteries, so its not like its on all the time - credit the a6300 and a7r2 overheating issues for getting me in that habit LOL!

Anyway, I have a Ninja V, so I can grab 4k HQ with an external recorder (generates far less heat judging by Gerald Undone and others posted record times) and just use the 120p for short bursts, like wakeboarders or surfers riding past. I get a little giddy thinking about 8k raw for that perfect sunrise shot over the water. But the entire camera shutting down is my big concern, pretty tough finding cooling options outside. I hate to play the buy/test/return game even though B&H's policies clearly allow it, but this is one where I'd need to spend some time trying to cover all scenarios to see if it'll work. Like what if I accidentally left the Ninja batteries at home on the charger and I'm 200 miles away? Ugh.

Cheers

Chris
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I hear you loud and clear (and have those same sunset beach 8K shots in my mind too!).

So I didn't want to get into more detail about the 28-70mm before because no one cares, but I actually watch 'Christopher Frost Photography' reviews (there are many other good channels but he's just the one I found a while ago and stuck with him and his testing process) for any lens I am highly considering and I saw it there for the first time and couldn't believe it.

Around 2:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuBq_Z_wuDs

Anyway, it's a tough choice indeed (even though it sounds like you should be good the way you film), but at least you can cancel your preorder a few days before the Canon ships if you like what the Sony is.
 
ahalpert said:
Newsshooter's take on the tilta fan:

"Look, you can’t blame Tilta for making a solution for what appears to be a real-world problem, regardless of how ridiculous this product first appears to be. The fact that a product like this even needs to be made in the first place points to a far greater issue. I know the EOS R5 is just a camera, but imagine if a car company brought out a car and they didn’t put a big enough radiator in it and you could only drive it on certain days for a certain amount of time before you had to pull over, shut the engine down and wait till it was cool enough to start driving again."
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Lousy analogy because you don't use cars like you use cameras.

People can take their cameras out for fun and take a few clips and a few photos and be very satisfied with the product and their purchase.

It's about the tool and its occupation. If you needed to travel with a vehicle as far as possible, you wouldn't purchase the one with the smallest fuel tank.
 
NorBro said:
Anyway, it's a tough choice indeed (even though it sounds like you should be good the way you film), but at least you can cancel your preorder a few days before the Canon ships if you like what the Sony is.
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The essence of Sony's strategy
 
NorBro said:
People can take their cameras out for fun and take a few clips and a few photos and be very satisfied with the product and their purchase.
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So....you're saying the R5 is a toy? Seems like a good analogy to me. The nicest cars never leave their garages, after all.

As for fuel tank - you can stop and refuel. Like changing a battery

At least with a Tesla you know how far you can go on a charge, how long it will take you to recharge, and how far you can go after that. If those facts were uncertain or wildly variable depending on ambient temperature, no one would buy one
 
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Liam Hall said:
No, it's a wonderful camera. Here's a shot from last week

The R5 will be a baby brother.
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I am very rarely star struck but you were lucky enough to work with one and only Stephen Fry. He's kind of a national treasure and definitely one of the most brilliant people in the business. How was he to work with?
8 million Twitter followers can't be wrong!
 
Off the Newsshooter comment section to go with my earlier thoughts : if the point of contact with the fan is plastic, it won't do a darn thing. Someone would have to cut a significant area of the plastic body covering out and replace it with metal. And even then, the internal layout of the camera might still be in the way.

And it'll also void the warranty.

Now, Canon itself can do this as an option. Whether or not it'll want to is open to a debate. My guess is, "no way".
 
DLD said:
Off the Newsshooter comment section to go with my earlier thoughts : if the point of contact with the fan is plastic, it won't do a darn thing. Someone would have to cut a significant area of the plastic body covering out and replace it with metal. And even then, the internal layout of the camera might still be in the way.

And it'll also void the warranty.

Now, Canon itself can do this as an option. Whether or not it'll want to is open to a debate. My guess is, "no way".
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That makes sense - but then how are they claiming such a fast and effective temperature reduction? What does their maximum temperature spec even mean?

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seems that it's not just a fan but a Peltier heat pump
 
Let's see those claims stand the actual tests. IMO, this seems too early for someone to have a ready system when the cameras themselves are barely beginning to arrive.
 
and does max temp reduction 82 degrees mean it can cool your camera down by 82 degrees or that it won't work when the ambient temperature is above 82 degrees? either way seems crazy
 
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