Canon R5 Announced with 8k

ahalpert said:
Yes I had a good laugh when I saw that earlier. I guarantee you that no one will shoot a wedding in 8K with this camera more than once in their life.

The ceremony usually lasts about a half hour. That part is event. The rest of the day is a mix of doc and fashion and you're usually rolling a lot too. Nothing is usable but low-quality mode for weddings with this camera.

I've also never cropped a shot from a wedding. Framing is very important. And the idea that you could pull your wedding photos from video still frames is funny. That would have to be a very budget-conscious client.

I once filmed a wedding next to a Nikon ambassador who was taking the stills (Cliff Mautner). I've never seen a snapper take more variations of each and every shot - numerous minor framing adjustments plus bracketing and different focus. Camera placement and composition really matter for wedding photography, as does using a flash.
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Bro. There will be hundreds of weddings on YouTube by the end of the year shot in 8K with this camera.

And then you will have to buy this camera because your "competition" is all 8K.

People out there do not have as many questions nor concerns. They pick up the camera and they work. Even with multiple bodies.
 
david_p said:
you should try to get your hands on any canon DSLR that has DPAF to just "try" and you will know in 60 seconds if you consider it of value. i bought a 70D way back just because of the DPAF. i hated the IQ and i mean really hated it but bought it anyway because the AF was so unbelievable. i never really used it (to be expected) but my brain wanted that AF and thought i would fit it in here or there. eventually i got the 1DXmkII and i lean on its AF all the time.
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Thanks for all the info, David. I am already sold on incorporating video AF into my work, despite having very little experience with it. The big decision I may have to make soon is R5 vs A7SIII. (Or maybe the A7SIII will have some horrible drawback and the point will be moot.) It's a big decision because if I go Sony and start investing in E mount glass, it becomes very expensive to switch back to canon.

I have several AF canon lenses and considered that to be a plus for staying Canon. But hearing that different lenses have different speed functions complicates the picture. Sure, I might be happy with either camera I choose. But I'd rather learn of the pitfalls now than later
 
NorBro said:
Bro. There will be hundreds of weddings on YouTube by the end of the year shot in 8K with this camera.

And then you will have to buy this camera because your "competition" is all 8K.

People out there do not have as many questions nor concerns. They pick up the camera and they work. Even with multiple bodies.
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I doubt it, NorBro. 97% of the wedding business I do has not shifted even to 4K. And that's the decision and business model of the companies hiring me, not a choice I reach myself.

The issue with the 8K is that it definitely overheats after like 20 minutes. When it comes to shooting weddings, it's better to have an overexposed out of focus SD shot of the ceremony than no shot at all, you see? Camera failure is not an option.

I will not need to compete with anyone shooting 8K any more than the A7III shooters have to compete with me shooting 10-bit. But I bought an S1 so my GH5 footage would not look noisy by comparison. And now I want AF so I can have an equal keeper rate

As far as questions and concerns - I like to do my research and minimize wasted investments. It's as simple as that. I'm the sole breadwinner for a family of 4. Ain't got money to waste
 
There is nothing to doubt as far as the R5; you will see 8K footage of weddings (even if just highlights of the entire day) from this camera on YouTube.

Let's talk about it in December.
 
I'm sure some people will shoot 8K material from the day and upload a mix of 8K and 4K and label it 8K. There are also people shooting weddings with REDs. None of that has any impact on me.

If you cant shoot the ceremony in 8K, you can't make a full film in 8K. I wouldn't shoot any critical moments in 8K from the rest of the day either. Which means that the final edit will have very little 8K at all.

I'm sure some couples will go in for the marketing gimmick of 8K. But if a large number were like that, I'd be seeing the reverse ratio of HD/4K requests. Some of the companies I work for offer 4K as an upcharge and people infrequently take them up on it.

I just don't need 8K for weddings at all. I would use it for doc b-roll of highly detailed wide shots. I would use the RAW for narrative/music video/commercial shooting with low amounts of footage and not rolling continuously.

For me, for events/doc/interviews the R5 is a pixel-binned 4K camera, which is fine
 
ahalpert said:
I doubt it, NorBro. 97% of the wedding business I do has not shifted even to 4K. And that's the decision and business model of the companies hiring me, not a choice I reach myself.

The issue with the 8K is that it definitely overheats after like 20 minutes. When it comes to shooting weddings, it's better to have an overexposed out of focus SD shot of the ceremony than no shot at all, you see? Camera failure is not an option.

I will not need to compete with anyone shooting 8K any more than the A7III shooters have to compete with me shooting 10-bit. But I bought an S1 so my GH5 footage would not look noisy by comparison. And now I want AF so I can have an equal keeper rate

As far as questions and concerns - I like to do my research and minimize wasted investments. It's as simple as that. I'm the sole breadwinner for a family of 4. Ain't got money to waste
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NorBro said:
There is nothing to doubt as far as the R5; you will see 8K footage of weddings (even if just highlights of the entire day) from this camera on YouTube.

Let's talk about it in December.
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ahalpert said:
I'm sure some people will shoot 8K material from the day and upload a mix of 8K and 4K and label it 8K. There are also people shooting weddings with REDs. None of that has any impact on me.

If you cant shoot the ceremony in 8K, you can't make a full film in 8K. I wouldn't shoot any critical moments in 8K from the rest of the day either. Which means that the final edit will have very little 8K at all.

I'm sure some couples will go in for the marketing gimmick of 8K. But if a large number were like that, I'd be seeing the reverse ratio of HD/4K requests. Some of the companies I work for offer 4K as an upcharge and people infrequently take them up on it.

I just don't need 8K for weddings at all. I would use it for doc b-roll of highly detailed wide shots. I would use the RAW for narrative/music video/commercial shooting with low amounts of footage and not rolling continuously.

For me, for events/doc/interviews the R5 is a pixel-binned 4K camera, which is fine
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Most of the wedding stuff I'm seeing now, are just 4-5 minute "highlight" packages. Slow-mo, pre/getting ready, walking down the aisle, kiss, bride & groom recessional, reception montage. One of my buddy's is thinking about getting back into wedding's and that seems to be all anyone really wants. He was looking at some of the baller wedding shooters and most of the packages do not include covering the actual ceremony. That is extra. Everyone just wants the CSI: Miami cold open.
 
Yeah most of what I shoot of weddings ends up as a 5-minute music video.

But not covering the ceremony? That's crazy. For all 6 companies I shoot for, the vows typically tie together the soundtrack. You ALWAYS show the bride coming down the aisle. Usually the kiss and the rings and coming back down the aisle. I can't imagine not shooting the ceremony lol

But yes most of the video is like prep/party footage. There ceremony is only a half hour of a 10-hour shoot day

But maybe you mean they don't offer a full-length edit of the ceremony itself?

I shoot the ceremony continuously with multiple cameras even if only snippets are used.

Depending on the shoot specifics, sometimes I zip around catching additional angles with a 3rd camera while 2 lock-offs are rolling elsewhere. In that case I could use the R5 in 8K. But...why the hell would I need to?

And the R5 wedding promo video showed so many critical shots filmed in 8K that would doubtless be rolling longer than the room temperature overheat time limit
 
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The R6 might be the better option for weddings.

Imho the R5 is for hybrid shooter with focus on high end stills and some videos they can advertise as super high res.
I ordered the R5 for these high end stills and as b-cam to the C300iii. I am looking very much forward to shooting B-roll on a crane3 with DPAF. For sit down talking b-cam the non heat critical 4k30 pixel binning will be plenty good enough
 
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It's unclear to me if the R6 has overheating-free modes. I've gotten the impression that it overheats in all shoot modes. I shoot too much event/doc/interview to do without unlimited recording modes. It would also be nice to have RAW and 8K when appropriate

I could do with pixel binning 4K on the R5. But sometimes I have to roll 4K60p at length and i wonder what the real life overheating is like on R5 pixel binned 4K60p
 
Thanks NorBro - that seems promising. The R6 price is certainly right. I still think I'd get the R5 to have the extra features for times when they're appropriate because I shoot a broad variety of stuff

I'm thinking R5 vs A7SIII right now. And given the state of the economy, I'm hardly in a rush. My last shoot was FS7/GH5, no problems there
 
I shoot weddings, lots of them. The client doesn't always specify whether a documentary or highlight reel was ordered. It is expected they want both. They want footage, lots of it, 125-150 takes, 2 cameras minimum, backup shots, safety angles, wide shots, slow motion. And don't miss any of the seminal moments that happen even before the ceremony starts, the arrival of bride and groom, getting ready shots, opening of gifts, reading of letters, wedding party shots, bridesmaids, groomsmen, bride and groom first look, the officiant, the groom's reaction to seeing his bride, bride walking up the aisle, the vows, lighting of candles, pouring of sand, exchange of rings, couple's introduction, first kiss, family portraits, the guests, the food, reception line, the grand entrance, dinner tables, buffet lines, the toasts, speeches, first dances, cake cutting, garter toss, bouquet toss, the money dance, the send off, just to name a few. And it's all HD. Those 5-7 minute highlight reels are a lot promotional bulls*%t, most of them. The couple just paid big money. They usually want *everything* covered and sometime want the raw footage too. You record the audio as well, mic the groom, plug into the soundboard, the pa, the dj, check the recording levels. And lights. You have lots of equipment, shooting sticks, charged batteries, and stage it beforehand, prepared for any eventuality, sudden showers, driving winds. You're on the go the whole time, without the luxury of being a cinematographer. Your highlights are culled from having lots of shots of everything, table settings, rings, dresses, shoes, hands, feet, faces, invitations, marquees, menus. It's serious work. Your equipment better be 100% ready for it. You too.
 
I’ve constantly said it’s easier and less stressful being the network pool crew on a POTUS visit/appearance/speech.
 
I never shot a wedding video just occasionally photos when I was young and needed the money. I hope at least wedding videos are paid very well.
 
The resolutions and framerates are too high for the sensors that are too big for the bodies that are too small.

Some handle it better than others. Technically or corporately (that's a word).

The ice box joke someone made the other day was somewhat of a true comment. If companies made stills cameras with liquid/refrigeration cooling 5-10lbs heavier (they never would), we'd see unparalleled results and offerings.
 
I have been asked to shoot weddings too mostly from advertising or corporate clients relatives. Besides lack of experience and drill I kindly refuse these offers. I don’t want to get in trouble with a corporate or advertising assignment which is booked mostly a few weeks or days in advance only.
 
NorBro said:
The resolutions and framerates are too high for the sensors that are too big for the bodies that are too small.
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I'm pretty sure the XT3 does not overheat but has similar video specs. Just no IBIS.

Did you see the astrophotography mods that Brawley posted? Some company will remove your DSLR sensor and mount it in front of the body on top of a cooling apparatus with a lens mount in front. It was only like a $1k mod and the noise reduction in the images was astounding. Obviously wouldn't work with IBIS
 
Clermond said:
I have been asked to shoot weddings too mostly from advertising or corporate clients relatives. Besides lack of experience and drill I kindly refuse these offers. I don’t want to get in trouble with a corporate or advertising assignment which is booked mostly a few weeks or days in advance only.
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That makes sense. I'm sure you'd shoot great weddings but like anything else, you have to know the drill and I wouldn't cut my teeth on a gig where big money is indirectly on the line.

I consider the long booking lead times to be a plus because it helps me balance out my schedule. And usually my corporate/advertising stuff shoots during the week whereas weddings are always on the weekend.
 
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