Canon goes 8K60p and "20+ stops DR" in 4K by NAB

Looks like RF-mount cineprimes and zooms are in the works - https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-t...de-the-cinema-eos-c300s-and-cinema-eos-c500s/

The new RF prime lenses will have the same character as the Sumire line of Cinema Prime lenses from Canon.

Canon RF Mount Cinema Prime Lenses

RF 14mm T/1.5
RF 18mm T/1.5
RF 24mm T/1.3
RF 35mm T/1.3
RF 50mm T/1.3
RF 85mm T/1.3
RF 100mm T/1.5
RF 135mm T/1.5

We are also going to see two RF mount compact zooms, and two larger zoom lenses announced at the same time.
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Interesting that they're going with the Sumire look. The rumor doesn't mention if these cover full-frame or only S35, but I suppose that full-frame is a safe bet.
 
Saw that this morning, as well. I would bet large amounts of money on at least the primes being "FF". The zooms I wouldn't bet either way.

I wonder if they will be designed/engineered to accommodate up to PL mount, as well? All of their current zooms, except the compact servos are available in PL, if you want, and they made the Sumire primes available in PL. Seems like the smart play, to me.
 
Run&Gun said:
Saw that this morning, as well. I would bet large amounts of money on at least the primes being "FF". The zooms I wouldn't bet either way.

I wonder if they will be designed/engineered to accommodate up to PL mount, as well? All of their current zooms, except the compact servos are available in PL, if you want, and they made the Sumire primes available in PL. Seems like the smart play, to me.
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It's a good question. Definitely the smart business move is to accommodate PL mount. But a lot of lens designs take advantage of the short flange length (at least for wide-angles?) of mirrorless.

I'm guessing that if the zooms aren't straight full-frame, then they'll have optional rear optics to enlarge to full-frame. But, considering that they have numerous S35 compact and normal zooms already available, I wouldn't at all be surprised if the new zooms are straight full-frame.
 
I think the only way the zooms would be full-frame is if they are a part of their "COMPACT-SERVO" line because it seems like a tremendous waste of resources to make high-end quality full-frame servos that would most likely cost $40K, $50K+ for the few who would buy them.

The people mainly using these kind of lenses probably aren't going to upgrade to them for their S35 C300s and Amiras.

On the other hand, industry's changed enough that maybe even Canon could sell you a reasonably priced full-frame servo for around $10K-$15K which could match up nicely with the C500 Mark II, and maybe also have expanded compatibilities with R5s and company with something like their PZ-E1 (although that idea seems like it only lasted a few years).
 
Sony FE C 16-35mm T 3.1 is $5,500 and has an external servo motor.

At any rate, I've been saying this for several years - with the electronics/cameras prices falling, the corresponding tier glass has to be made. It's not going to be the Leitz, Arri or Cooke level but it's not going to be used to film the next Star Wars trilogy either. Being priced out of the higher end gear drove many to make/order custom mods or just employ the higher end stills glass. This lineup will fill the gap, while partnering with the upcoming 8K cameras. I've been wondering what was taking Canon so long to match Sony's challenge - albeit, with 16-35 being the sole FE C available at the moment - and finally, they make a proper response. Sony promised to make a new AF zoom trinity but primes are more suited to 8K anyway and this looks like a perfect lineup.
 
That's their first "cine" version, but they also had the other reasonably priced FF servo since 2014...long time.
 
lol, *unusually priced

Part of adding the year date to that statement was to emphasize how insane that pricing was for that type of lens and its coverage. Even if the optics were subpar, there was literally nothing else like it for the money.
 
An odd thing about the 18-80 is that it was supposed to be a great budget buy at $5,225 and now, five years later, it's $4,600. Somehow, it must not not have proved to be that popular.
 
DLD said:
An odd thing about the 18-80 is that it was supposed to be a great budget buy at $5,225 and now, five years later, it's $4,600. Somehow, it must not not have proved to be that popular.
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Well, look how much the price has fallen on the 17-120 since it’s introduction. It is arguably THE standard when it comes to lenses in that category, it’s still hugely popular, but Canon has reduced the price on it multiple times over the last seven years. And there were many times during its first few years where it would go into back order, but they still had a nice price cut by about two years into its production cycle(I think that’s when I bought mine).

But as to the 18-80, I was pretty hard on the compact servo’s in the beginning, but having used them a few times, they are actually pretty nice lenses, especially for the money. If they had introduced the 18-80 & 70-200 WITH the original C300, they would not have been able to keep them on the shelves.
 
Because it was too slow. The 30-80 t2.8 was much more popular.

DLD said:
An odd thing about the 18-80 is that it was supposed to be a great budget buy at $5,225 and now, five years later, it's $4,600. Somehow, it must not not have proved to be that popular.
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The 18-80 has auto-focus, image stabilization, and is smaller and lighter than the 17-120. If you have a good low light camera like the C300, or aren't shooting in low light, and don't need the extra shallow look, the 18-80 can be a better choice than the 17-120 regardless of budget. I have both and use both depending on the situation.

The autofocus on the 17-120 is not that good.
 
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Do they make a locking RF mount? Kinda pointless making cinema primes without a locking mount to actually facilitate using them properly with a follow focus or FIZ motors.
 
Grug said:
Do they make a locking RF mount? Kinda pointless making cinema primes without a locking mount to actually facilitate using them properly with a follow focus or FIZ motors.
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I'm sure they will with the new cameras that are released alongside the lenses
 
ON lenses. Im enjoying my 15-85 - its probably the worst canon zoom ever.. but the range rocks and the sub $250 price too!
 
I just saw the 30-105mm t2.8 CN-E go used for $6900 USD on ebay last week. As of recently it is only $9999 brand new on B&H as well. It is quite a bargain for a lens of this caliber and I am contemplating picking one up myself instead of the Angenieux EZ or DP series zooms I have been looking at. I owned all of the CN-E primes for a while and really liked them prior to moving onto Leica-R. I have used both the Canon 18-80mm and 70-200mm servos and the 30-105 and 30-300 CN-E series zooms and there is no comparison for me at least. I however am shooting on REDs with focus motors 99% of the time so my needs are much different than someone on a C200/ENG camera shooting docs or interviews. I just always thought if the 18-80 was a T3 it would have been much more popular. I always felt the same way about the Sony E PZ 18-110mm F4 G OSS when I used to shoot on FS5/FS7.

NorBro said:
ha...an additional $30,000 buys you one stop.
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