C500: Canon EOS-1D C Vimeo Review up from Philip Bloom

philip bloom said:
utterly agreed. It makes no sense especially with the bit rate being around 150mb/s...dont get it!
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Upscaled and 150Mbps :Drogar-Dum(DBG):

Well I think that's put the final nail in the 1DC coffin for me. For 12k it would have to be close to being the perfect digital cinema camera. I'd rather sell a kidney and get an F5. I'm more interested in the C100 with a GH3 60p b-cam at this point so looking forward to the comparison.

Next year Bondi not Brighton, your bollocks will thank you... I'll bring the beer.
 
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The 1D C is a great camera except for a few things that canon omitted. Focus peaking and zebra would have really lifted this camera and would have made it so useful. Not sure if Canon can improve upon the 50p stuff. The crop factors are really nice and give different PoV with the same lens (full frame, s35 as well as APS-H). This camera will cut fine with the C300. For those shots with long tele lenses (800mm), it would be great to shoot in 4K and then get convert it to Full HD and cut with the C300.
 
I really do wonder why the 1Dc is so expensive. Surely the pricetag is mostly synthetic since so much of the camera is a 1DX.

Does Canon believe that 4k is THAT much of a feature? Many video features are missing. I also expected the 50p/60p to be excellent. They should have used the S35 mode for this.

I think for this camera, Canon really needs to go all out and not keep features from its customers that could theoretically be implemented.

The 1Dc would have been much higher on my list, even at the current price, if I didn't feel that it will be outperformed by mid to high end DSLRs within 18 months. It would have been cool if it came with a new next gen sensor with improved DR. The whole 5D, 1DX, 1Dc range feels like 'end of life' for current tech.
 
Thanks a lot Philip

So it's definitely sharper than the other DSLRs (even without going 4K, the S35 mode looks awesome), and macgregor has tested that it has a lot better DR too. And still it feels like a half-assed product, as if they had bolted the components together in a rush...
* 1080p50 is a joke
* only 8-bit
* CLog is completely different in 4K and in S35 modes (did you plan to use this camera as a 1x 1.3x 1.6x all-lenses-in-one system? good luck matching sharpness AND color)
* no peaking, no zoom-in while recording, no zebras, no waveform... if the Magic Lantern team could put all that in a T2i more than 2 years ago, why can't Canon do it on a $12K camera today?
 
AndreeOnline said:
I really do wonder why the 1Dc is so expensive. Surely the pricetag is mostly synthetic since so much of the camera is a 1DX.

Does Canon believe that 4k is THAT much of a feature? Many video features are missing. I also expected the 50p/60p to be excellent. They should have used the S35 mode for this.

I think for this camera, Canon really needs to go all out and not keep features from its customers that could theoretically be implemented.

The 1Dc would have been much higher on my list, even at the current price, if I didn't feel that it will be outperformed by mid to high end DSLRs within 18 months. It would have been cool if it came with a new next gen sensor with improved DR. The whole 5D, 1DX, 1Dc range feels like 'end of life' for current tech.
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Maybe the hardware in the 1DC and 1DX is the same, only the 1DX is less able because of firmware, and the higher cost is to make up for selling the 1DX at a loss!
 
When will they understand we do not want crippled cameras! If it records in 1080p it should resolve 1080 if it records 4k it should resolve 4k. How about buying a Full HD televisonset and find out there are only 720 pixels that you can see?
 
Terry Nixon said:
New Philip Bloom Canon EOS-1D C Review is up on Vimeo:

"The 4K looks absolutely beautiful. I mean really, really beautiful...Once you've shot with it and seen that image, you will really fall in love with it...I'll have to get one now won't I."

Canon EOS-1D C Cinema EOS Camera Body $11999 or $309 Per Month at Texas Media Systems

Lease a Canon EOS-1D C camera for $309 per month through Canon Financial Services:

FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING WITH CANON LEASE OR PAYPAL!
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Terry; that lease deal is good for customers in Uganda? Right?

Anyway; the more I look at this thing the more I want it. Damn thing will work with all my existing support gear, rigs, lenses etc, and still be as discrete as any other DSLR. Regular batteries, regular media, canon reliability; its full of win!
 
Hi Simon,

Canon only permits Texas Media Systems to sell & lease Canon Cinema EOS products in the USA.

You'd need to speak to Canon in Uganda or South Africa about Canon Leasing Options in your country:
http://www.canon-europe.com/contact...and_africa_offices/canon_contacts/uganda.aspx

Terry

simonpwood said:
Terry; that lease deal is good for customers in Uganda? Right?

Anyway; the more I look at this thing the more I want it. Damn thing will work with all my existing support gear, rigs, lenses etc, and still be as discrete as any other DSLR. Regular batteries, regular media, canon reliability; its full of win!
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Hi Terry, I was only joking; Uganda and Nigeria are both on the same list (no credit!).....I wish though. Good deal that; I bet there must be a lot of interest in those cameras.

The Canon outlet here deals in printer cartridges only (seriously)!
 
PB,


Always love your reviews. I don't care if some people think they are just Canon infomercials. Those people are idiots.

You looked miserable in the rain, was it really that cold? How do you manage to not ruin your C300 living there in England where it is always raining?

I live in Socal (almost always sunny and 70 degrees) and last weekend it starting raining a bit, a light sprinkling actually, so I just wrapped my C100 in a plastic bag and keep shooting. Hope I didn't hurt it.

My response to the 1DC is pretty much like everyone else one here. How do you function without waveform monitors and peaking? My C100 has professional audio which makes it so simple. Hate to be forced to use a separate recording solution. It seems like half a video camera, just like every other dslr. But for 12k?

When you can get the c100 for 6.5k, I just don't get why anyone would want the 1DC for 12k? It really seems like a niche product, for extreme weather and maybe if you want 4k resolution for cropping or something or like someone said to match an epic.

i think there would be a lot more information if they dropped the price to about 8k. A 1.5k premium for a couple small hardware changes and a firmware upgrade seems reasonable. Even better, just retire the 1DX and replace it with the 1DC for 6k Canon? That will move some off the shelf at least.
 
Samuel H said:
The 1DC is not a good match for an epic. It's a lot softer and has less detail than the Scarlet. Macgregor posted this test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DYy4glKV8r8
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...ny-F35&p=1986269748&viewfull=1#post1986269748
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Well, people have been matching the 5Dmk2 with Arri Alexas and with 35mm & 16mm film in Hollywood feature films, so pixel-peping tests aside, presumably the 1DC is going to be a step in the right direction for use as a b cam for all kinds of work.
 
Samuel H said:
The 1DC is not a good match for an epic. It's a lot softer and has less detail than the Scarlet. Macgregor posted this test:
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First of all, completely different field of views. The scarlet is zoomed in more and everything is bigger. Secondly - and even more importantly - the scarlet has been shot/graded very contrasty. Contrast = resolution. The 1dc actually looks sharp, it's just hidden in a blob of grey. Thidly, they are all 1080p. In YOUTUBE. You're not even looking at the 4k image but still making huge assumptions. The 1080p image should be TACK sharp both on the Scarlet and 1dc (depending on the scaling algorithm).
 
Yes, of course, you can cut the footage and it will work fine if you do all your homework. But don't expect it to be straightforward, there will be some work involved.
And yes, I know it's not easy to compare: different FoV, different grade. But I still think the RED is showing a lot more detail.
And regarding youtube: I didn't compare using that, I downloaded macgregor's 1080p file from the post I linked to.
 
I took a very pleasing 30+ minutes of work break to watch Philip's video review of 1DC. I was hesitating between C300 and 1DC myself, the latter having 4K AND amazing photo capabilities (albeit the 4K is a motion jpeg compromise, sort of a "poor man's" 4K). It turns out the 1DC is not "one camera to rule them all" after all, despite the really cool specs on paper.
As Philip knows, and I am sure a lot of us who own the C300 do too, the 1DC would be an amazing B-cam for the C300. Saying the 1DC is overpriced in such a cool, diplomatic way in the review made me giggle.

Please, before you start bashing me, go out and shoot with both side-by-side. I did.
 
Actually, after seeing some of the recent tests, I would say the latter, the C300 would make an excellent B-camera to the 1DC!

http://carousel.hu/1Dc/
Is it overpriced? Yes. Given the choice between a C300 and 1DC, would I still opt for the latter? You betcha!
Seems the MJPG format is both its (greatest?) strength and weakness. Strength because of the incredibly low noise at high ISO's (lowest noise of any non RAW digital camera?) and weakness because of workflow. File sizes roughly 10X larger than H.264 and transcoding to proxy for desktop editing is no longer an option, it is a must!

alphaville said:
I took a very pleasing 30+ minutes of work break to watch Philip's video review of 1DC. I was hesitating between C300 and 1DC myself, the latter having 4K AND amazing photo capabilities (albeit the 4K is a motion jpeg compromise, sort of a "poor man's" 4K). It turns out the 1DC is not "one camera to rule them all" after all, despite the really cool specs on paper.
As Philip knows, and I am sure a lot of us who own the C300 do too, the 1DC would be an amazing B-cam for the C300. Saying the 1DC is overpriced in such a cool, diplomatic way in the review made me giggle.

Please, before you start bashing me, go out and shoot with both side-by-side. I did.
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Indeed. The 1Dc clearly resolves more detail and it's got the same Canon Log.

The 1Dc will be the number one camera for bashers to bash, simply because it's controversial, but there is no denying its merits.

I totally understand when people say that it's overpriced, but it actually isn't; there is nothing else like it. It can only be overpriced if there are similar products available at a lower price, which there isn't.

I would like it to be cheaper and Canon really do charge a steep premium over 1Dx for the 4k format.
 
Philip, thanks for the great review as always.

Would you say that the Full Frame video modes on the 1DC are identical to the quality you get from the 1DX? Looking at the original files you posted of the aquarium tank, the S35 mode (let alone 4k) absolutely demolishes the soft, no-detail FF modes.
 
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