Rakesh Jacob
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The current version of Scarlet that is competing with the 7D does 0fps :grin:
Canon 7D killed my scarlet dreams!
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The current version of Scarlet that is competing with the 7D does 0fps :grin:
Barry_Green
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But then again, so are the GH1, EX1, HPX300, HVX200/HPX170, DVX100, XHA1, HV40, Z7U, and many other excellent and currently-available products.
J Davis
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My dream is not scarlet, its not actually the camera at all.
My dream is to make something that will still be talked about after you're dead and gone.
And J.Jannard who wants to make cameras has succeeded in that task, I salute him. Until I am making my own written features I will work double duty as DP and that means buying and flipping cameras. 7D and scarlet and everything beyond that I'll buy and flip.
My dream is to make something that will still be talked about after you're dead and gone.
And J.Jannard who wants to make cameras has succeeded in that task, I salute him. Until I am making my own written features I will work double duty as DP and that means buying and flipping cameras. 7D and scarlet and everything beyond that I'll buy and flip.
Rakesh Jacob
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Makes me all warm and tingly inside
I remember a couple years back my dad bought a D40; and the last time I was into photography was back in the early 90s. But the camera seemed so good, especially for an entry level DSLR, that I think I used it more than he did. I distinctly remember thinking "man why can't they just put these sensors in a camcorder, that would F-ing RULE!"
Some times when I think about that moment and the fact that it was ONLY a couple of years ago, it blows me away. The simple fact that we can spend all this time arguing back and forth about products that perform at this great of a level is truly wonderful. And no matter what gets said here about what is better, which is the ultimate, who's pro, who's not, we are in the midst of THE filmmaking revolution; the democratization of internet distribution and cheap, DAMN good looking (and only getting cheaper and better) video acquisition! This war of words, conflict of ideas, berating of each others preferences and choices is truly a peculiar honor and humbling luxury that I hope we can collectively apreciate.... or not, whatever. I love being, or at least trying to be (depends who you ask) A FILMMAKER!
joe 1008
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The DVX100 (I never owned it, I admit) was the last camera that was an equivalent to an artist's pencil. It was cheap and efficient.
Then things became complicated. Some cams were better than others in specific areas.
I want my pencil back. In the last couple of years we became tecnocrats, not artists.
But I'm confident that we are very close to a cam that is going to sum all the progress up as the DVX100 did in it's days.
Damn right. This incredible freedom. kudos for you.
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squig
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just found this on nikonrumors, if it's for real there might not be as much demand for a scarlet next year-
This is coming from somebody close to Nikon development (new, anonymous and unconfirmed source):
“He/she told me that he/she has been working on firmware that only supports video. Namely, his/her area is autofocus through the sensor. He/she told me to think of it as tripod mode in Live View but that it was much more complicated. Apparently speed is important and an area that is out of focus can be selected and the lens be made to jump to focus in that point in one move without hunting.
He/She told me that this required distance data and AFS from the lens. As far as I know, all AFS lenses support distance data but I’m not sure.
At any rate he/she says there’s hardware support for h.264 encoding. He/she also said that there is support from increments of 24 fps and 30 fps (so 24, 48, 72, 96 etc. and 30, 60, 90, etc) but I didn’t ask how high.
He/she said there would be no support for still image captures though it’s all progressive video which lends itself (a bit) to having still images pulled from video.
He/she said 1080p, 720p, 480p, and 320p (?) are supported.
I was discussing trading up from my D300 to a D300s just for the video support and he/she told me to wait. He/she said that there wouldn’t be anything soon but it would be in the lifespan of a D300s.
I asked him/her if it was a video only f-mount body. He/she told me he/she had very little knowledge of the hardware.
He/she did mention working with a team that is developing a NEF equivalent for video. Which was very high in bitrate necessitating high end media. He/she didn’t know if it was CF or SD.
This is coming from somebody close to Nikon development (new, anonymous and unconfirmed source):
“He/she told me that he/she has been working on firmware that only supports video. Namely, his/her area is autofocus through the sensor. He/she told me to think of it as tripod mode in Live View but that it was much more complicated. Apparently speed is important and an area that is out of focus can be selected and the lens be made to jump to focus in that point in one move without hunting.
He/She told me that this required distance data and AFS from the lens. As far as I know, all AFS lenses support distance data but I’m not sure.
At any rate he/she says there’s hardware support for h.264 encoding. He/she also said that there is support from increments of 24 fps and 30 fps (so 24, 48, 72, 96 etc. and 30, 60, 90, etc) but I didn’t ask how high.
He/she said there would be no support for still image captures though it’s all progressive video which lends itself (a bit) to having still images pulled from video.
He/she said 1080p, 720p, 480p, and 320p (?) are supported.
I was discussing trading up from my D300 to a D300s just for the video support and he/she told me to wait. He/she said that there wouldn’t be anything soon but it would be in the lifespan of a D300s.
I asked him/her if it was a video only f-mount body. He/she told me he/she had very little knowledge of the hardware.
He/she did mention working with a team that is developing a NEF equivalent for video. Which was very high in bitrate necessitating high end media. He/she didn’t know if it was CF or SD.
Rakesh Jacob
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Wait, there's a transgendered development team at Nikon?
(sorry cheap shot)
(sorry cheap shot)
J Davis
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I was actually just thinking about auto focusing on video the other day.
With image recognition technology, face recognition technology, distance data,
and all of that good tech available it is bound to be exploited by the big boys
to make everybody go out and buy the same lens that they already own all over again.
With image recognition technology, face recognition technology, distance data,
and all of that good tech available it is bound to be exploited by the big boys
to make everybody go out and buy the same lens that they already own all over again.
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it sounds great in THEORY...... but the files are HUGE! I don't know
the workflow of red . How do people work with it? Is it uncompressed?
Arent only 720p avi files like 5 GIG - - per minute! ?
I was just wondering and please don't shoot me it is just a question; When I film with my HVX200A with the Redrock gear attached it feels and looks like I'm shooting a real movie but I was thinking if you are shooting with a Canon 5D does it make you feel like you are shooting a movie or just taking pictures? What does your talents think when you pull out a camera that is the size of toast that just pop out of the toaster? My HVX is 3 ft long and looks pretty cool. Also I was wondering how close is the 5D and 7D to the Red. I myself is thinking of test driving the 5D just to see how it works. Soooooo this was just a question do people take you seriously when you say you are making a movie and you pull out the camera from your pocket? I know the end results are the most important so I'm just asking.
One more question - lets say I do use the 5D can I edit on the Vegas pro 8? And what frame rate would this footage be when I download it onto my computer? I know tons of questions!!!!!
One more question - lets say I do use the 5D can I edit on the Vegas pro 8? And what frame rate would this footage be when I download it onto my computer? I know tons of questions!!!!!
Rakesh Jacob
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I use the HVX200a with the LEX/Canon FD or MicroX/Nikon.
I tried out the 5Dmkii on a couple shoots 1st as a B camera and 2nd as an A camera with the HVX for sound; and a couple times just hanging out with friends. I don't own one myself so this is based just on those few experiences.
Image quality WAAYYYYY better! LCD waaaayyyy better!
I havnt been on a gig where it was the only camera but right now I think people would probably look at you crazy unless you had a whole crap load of accessories attached to it. You could also throw up some big obnoxious lights with giant soft boxes, that always makes bystanders go "ooooh."
How close the 5D and 7D are to the RED1 depends on who you ask, image wise, it's kinda there, as close as you're gonna get at this price for sure! But as mentioned ad nauseum, the actual codec, file system, etc... is light years ahead and far superior to deal with in post production, from what I've been told and I believe it. Also RED is a dedicated video system so it has what filmmakers need in terms of controls and audio.
The 5D will work in Vegas. The frame rate is 30p but it's misslabled in the metatags/header or whatever, it's actually 29.97 (hopefully some one confirm this). If you have audio coming in from another source it goes out of sync pretty quickly. If you set playback of the 5D clips to 99.9% that usually works.
Also I'm not sure what kind of toast you eat but if it's the size on the 5D you need to cut back on the carbs.
carbs..... lol
exactly. the cameras are pencils.
i suggest everyone keep writing, and shoot with whats best available at the time by renting......
raw doesn't necessarily mean uncompressed, just that it's not converted from luminosity data to your color space of choice. you can compress raw files too, and you can actually compress them more than rgb or yuv files without degrading the quality. redcode and cineform already do, it's likely that more will follow like apple prores and adobe dng.
cjwolff
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1. Clients pay for results not for measuring your johnson.
2. You should still be able to use Cineform from within Vegas Pro 8 for 5d footage?
The great thing about RED is its compression code being natively supported on CS4. At least in my opinion its much more of a breakthrough than the actual camera itself. R3D files I've been able to deal with easily on a laptop if I'm working on CS4.
Lightest big files I've seen. It's cumbersome if its not drag and drop. It's why I like adobe when it comes to RED.
The Ikonoskop's files are truly uncompressed and measure over 200 MB per second. Those I hear are really difficult and heavy. Then again that camera isn't out yet.
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