Canon 60D or Nikon d5300 for Making Movies

Bought the d5300 and boy am i pleased!! The colors are wonderful, its sharppp! And the DR is great. Only thing i wish is that it had a better body. It feels better than its predecessors but i wish it was a bit bigger. Admittedly my hands are big but its too small. Well one of the tradeoffs . but the video looks great. I miss canon but if you sell the same sensor 5 years in a row then this happens. Now im just waiting for my other lenses and ill start shooting like there's no tomo. Cheers.!
PS: its still a pain to use. -_-" :p
 
Kshitiz said:
The GH4 is a beast and im tempted but the small sensor puts me off and the budget $1650 includes the lenses and the accessories that I've to buy.
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3 years ago I owned the Canon 60D and had been shooting with it for a couple of months. Dec 2010 I bought the Panasonic GH2 because I kept hearing how good it was for video. After shooting with the GH2 for one month, I sold all of my Canon gear and switched entirely to the GH2 because this Panasonic camera totally crushed the Canon 60D when it came to video. Since then there have been several feature films that have been shot with the GH2, including Shane Carruth's Upstream Color, which blew me away when I saw it on the big screen.

The m4/3 sensor size is a non-issue for video provided you buy lenses made for this format, or use one of the better SpeedBooster adapters when shooting with legacy glass.
 
Ks*%tiz said:
Bought the d5300 and boy am i pleased!! The colors are wonderful, its sharppp! And the DR is great. Only thing i wish is that it had a better body. It feels better than its predecessors but i wish it was a bit bigger. Admittedly my hands are big but its too small. Well one of the tradeoffs . but the video looks great. I miss canon but if you sell the same sensor 5 years in a row then this happens. Now im just waiting for my other lenses and ill start shooting like there's no tomo. Cheers.!
PS: its still a pain to use. -_-" :p
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You'll find fairly quickly that the body size is pretty meaningless - you're not going to be shooting DSLR handheld unless it's just your kids and your cat.

My take - of primary concern is how quickly can you switch ISO, white balance, shutter and aperture? If you can have dedicated buttons for all of that (I use aperture ring lenses) in a camera with good IQ, you're good.

Next is focusing - get a good loupe and you've got most shots covered. The Kamerer is a killer but, doesn't use sticky magnets, doesn't block buttons, pops off easily (and the mounting plate doubles as a Monfrotto QR plate). The Fotga follow focus is amazing for a sub $200 unit, too.

Next is tripod (& shoulder gear if you do anything with the camera in motion). I got my son one of those "fancier" video tripods from Amazon and I'm still amazed how smooth that thing is for $140.
 
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I just ordered the G6 after hearing about it online and it is only like 260€ in Sweden right now. For me the codec was not good enough. Its sharp and the colors are pretty nice though.
 
Its shot really well but I think the artifacts from the motion is in the material straight from camera, because I found alot of that when I was experimenting with the codecs and motion.
 
There's heat and wind turbulence that's being exaggerated by the high magnification, but overall I think it holds up pretty well.
 
Michael Carter said:
You'll find fairly quickly that the body size is pretty meaningless - you're not going to be shooting DSLR handheld unless it's just your kids and your cat.

My take - of primary concern is how quickly can you switch ISO, white balance, shutter and aperture? If you can have dedicated buttons for all of that (I use aperture ring lenses) in a camera with good IQ, you're good.

Next is focusing - get a good loupe and you've got most shots covered. The Kamerer is a killer but, doesn't use sticky magnets, doesn't block buttons, pops off easily (and the mounting plate doubles as a Monfrotto QR plate). The Fotga follow focus is amazing for a sub $200 unit, too.

Next is tripod (& shoulder gear if you do anything with the camera in motion). I got my son one of those "fancier" video tripods from Amazon and I'm still amazed how smooth that thing is for $140.
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Yeah its kind of meaningless but whenever i take it in my hand it looks too small like a toy camera.
Never thought about the follow focus.. Cuz i think i do fairly well with manually focusing with my hand..
Yes i have manual lenses.. Not all of them.. But still..
Next im going to buy a monopod.. N slowly decide what i need .. I already have a tripod..
N the last thing im going to buy is the mic. Im kind of confused between rode videomic GO and Pro. Go is more than half of pro's price soo..
 
I have the original videomic, and I wish I had bought a better mic instead (not that the videomic is not good, but I'd rather have something like an NTG, with XLR connection and compatible with blimps and such)
 
Ks*%tiz said:
. Im kind of confused between rode videomic GO and Pro. Go is more than half of pro's price soo..
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If you read the reviews on Amazon, the GO lacks electromagnetic shielding and has a lot of noise.

I think it would only really work for reference audio to sync, unless you just want to get started.

The VideoMic Pro gets very good reviews. It also has the +20 dB gain switch that will let you feed it directly to the camera without a recorder when you want/need to.

Probably worth the investment, you can build from there.

Good luck!
 
+1 for the VideoMic Pro. I m really happy with it...I dont know about the GO, but there must be a reason why its cheaper.
 
Ks*%tiz said:
Haha thanks iyrov. Really appreciate it. Going to buy one tomorrow. I will just use all the three a little and then decide what i prefer. I tried checking out the panny's but it aint available here in mumbai much will have ro order it or something .. So no panny. :( how i wish i was somewhere in the USA. :p
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So wait, they don't sell Panasonic in Mumbai? :Drogar-BlackEye(DBG
 
As I mentioned in the other thread we discussed, I have Canon DSLRs in my bag, but I always reach for the GH cams first. They are amazing and really designed for video capture IMO. I second the G6 recommendation earlier in the thread if you are on a budget- I have one, and I like it better than my GH2s because of the better color, extra stop of DR and FOCUS PEAKING. My goodness, I can't even tell you how great it is to have that built in when rigging light without an external monitor. That's a huge feature that even the GH3 doesn't have (in fact, none of the other DSLR style bodies mentioned here have it, aside from the GH4).
When I want more control over DOF, the m4/3 size sensor isn't much of an issue if you can get your hands on a Speedbooster or other focal reducer. I'm experimenting now with the RJ Camera version of one, and in my tests the FOV actually becomes wider than my Canon APS-C sensors do. On the GH2, since it has a multi-aspect ratio sensor, the FOV with a focal reducer becomes almost APS-H sized for video (ie. Canon 1D). You don't get that on the popular Canon or Nikon bodies.

On the topic of DR... Yes, the GH2 wasn't the strongest DR performer in video mode as Samuel already pointed out, but the Canons weren't much different (especially with their sorry excuse for a codec). Nikon is another story, but since you are obviously OK with Canons I'll stick with that comparison. The GH3, GH4, GX7 and G6 have only improved their video DR since then, and as you know the DR gets reduced as you travel up in ISO numbers. One of the things I really like about the focal reducer / speedbooster adapters is that I actually gain a stop of light. I did a set of indoor interviews recently and found myself shooting at ISO 160. On a Canon, I'd need to turn up the ISO a little bit and take a marginal amount of DR with it.
If you say you don't like the image it produces, I suppose that's a valid opinion. But those who keep saying they won't consider a M43 camera because of the FOV and DR, those may not be the deal breakers you think they are. Its much harder to work around the soft image, moire and weak codec that the Canons present!
 
M. Gilden said:
As I mentioned in the other thread we discussed, I have Canon DSLRs in my bag, but I always reach for the GH cams first. They are amazing and really designed for video capture IMO. I second the G6 recommendation earlier in the thread if you are on a budget- I have one, and I like it better than my GH2s because of the better color, extra stop of DR and FOCUS PEAKING. My goodness, I can't even tell you how great it is to have that built in when rigging light without an external monitor. That's a huge feature that even the GH3 doesn't have (in fact, none of the other DSLR style bodies mentioned here have it, aside from the GH4).
When I want more control over DOF, the m4/3 size sensor isn't much of an issue if you can get your hands on a Speedbooster or other focal reducer. I'm experimenting now with the RJ Camera version of one, and in my tests the FOV actually becomes wider than my Canon APS-C sensors do. On the GH2, since it has a multi-aspect ratio sensor, the FOV with a focal reducer becomes almost APS-H sized for video (ie. Canon 1D). You don't get that on the popular Canon or Nikon bodies.

On the topic of DR... Yes, the GH2 wasn't the strongest DR performer in video mode as Samuel already pointed out, but the Canons weren't much different (especially with their sorry excuse for a codec). Nikon is another story, but since you are obviously OK with Canons I'll stick with that comparison. The GH3, GH4, GX7 and G6 have only improved their video DR since then, and as you know the DR gets reduced as you travel up in ISO numbers. One of the things I really like about the focal reducer / speedbooster adapters is that I actually gain a stop of light. I did a set of indoor interviews recently and found myself shooting at ISO 160. On a Canon, I'd need to turn up the ISO a little bit and take a marginal amount of DR with it.
If you say you don't like the image it produces, I suppose that's a valid opinion. But those who keep saying they won't consider a M43 camera because of the FOV and DR, those may not be the deal breakers you think they are. Its much harder to work around the soft image, moire and weak codec that the Canons present!
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I have already bought the nikon d5300 after being fed up of canon doing nothing about their DSL R's .
Ill buy the panasonic G6 as soon as i save some money for it .. Put a speedbooster in it.. N voila.. I didnt buy the G6 because it wasnt available in mumbai . n because of the shorter battery life and more noise in high iso's.
But for the price it is an amazing little cam.
 
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