nutmegger
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There is an early review of the MKIV at www.newsshooter.com
Canon 5D MKIV officially announced.
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Well, they should care. I remember reading a piece on Sony Alpha Rumors (a site ran from Germany) that Sony's market share in full frame cameras was equal to that of Canon over the Christmas sales period in Deutschland. And full frame is the juiciest part of the market at the moment. The point&shoot niche is being squeezed out by the smart phones and the APS-C is getting to the point where margins are very thin too. And, if a company turns its back on the customers, it doesn't stay in the business for long.
And if a decent taco was $10 and a burger of similar quality $3, then either the taco shop would be out of business or the burger joint would raise its own prices. And Sony ain't raising its prices any time soon.
I'm not going to judge this model or any camera whatsoever by their 4K specs because frankly, 4K still haven't taken over 1080, period. This is still a great piece of equipment designed as primarily a photo camera. I've already accepted the fact that Canon won't follow Sony's footsteps so I decided to switch to Sony, simply because I'm working full time as a videographer and their products check all the boxes for my needs. I feel bad about all those videographers with a huge collection of Canon Glass who desperately need to upgrade their equipment but they're still on a tight budget and just can't afford Canon's C line though. Canon could've done something to retain those clients but they'll end up losing them, sadly. Canon's 5D Mark II revolutionized the industry and they had the chance to make the 5D model their very own "Iphone", taking a broader and tighter grip on the industry and they just missed it.
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Jim Martin
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Again...again...again...when you take a DSLR and add all the stuff needed to make it a fully functional video rig, the price difference with a proper cinema/video camera will be marginal....not to mention a "cluge", an awkward set up to work with vs. a smart functional cinema camera ready to go.
Just sayin'!
Jim Martin
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Just sayin'!
Jim Martin
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Not everyone wants to carry a C300 and a 5d body + glass if you shoot stills and video. And some times its difficult to shoot with a full fledged cinema camera because of the attention or needing a permit. Try taking a C300 into Macchu Picchu, without a permit you will get turned away. And hiking with that brick in the Andes wouldn't be a pleasant experience. The A7rII gives you 90% of the C300 on the video side and easily outclasses the 5d4 on the stills side. The XLR mic input and a ND filter isn't awkward at all, especially when a full kit including dual XLR audio, a few lenses and the a6300 B-cam, RX100IV C-cam fits in a small messenger bag. That's the beauty of hybrids, you can go big rig or compact and still get a great image with stills and video. Everyone's needs are different. YMMV.
Cheers
Agreed.
Specs aren't everything, but all things being equal, stills are still better from the A7rII, internal 4k can't be any worse and the A7rII outputs a 4k singnal to external recorders unlike the 5d4 that only sends out a HD signal. The A6300 with an external recorder will still cost less and video will be better.
It'll still sell well, but meh...
dustylense
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the a7rII gives you 90% of the c300II on the video side?? Lol. Come on. The codec and output flavors in the c300ii alone destroy the Sony. Dual pixel AF. battery life. Built in ND. Proper evf. 2k 444.
Please.
The 5dmk4 is what it is. A photo camera first with video features. And probably a real clean 4K. And of course canon color.
Many people who already bought extras to rig up their 5D's just want to upgrade the body. For video, it's hardly an upgrade going from 5DIII to 5DIV so I see why there's so many people upset when they just wanted better video specs, at least enough not to envy those with Sony cams.
Cheers man, I meant C100mkII
Erik Naso
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Rinse and repeat...... Nothing new or surprising really. Great stills camera with less than exciting video features. I do think Canon can give a little more. The DCI 4K MJPEG at 1.74 crop is a joke. HD out only via HDMI? The topper is the same old codec and I bet soft HD image quality. It's like they don't want you to buy based on any video specs but it's a great DSLR. :-D
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puredrifting
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I am doing a feature by feature comparison and I can't see why anyone would invest $3,500.00 in the 5D MKIV when for a little over $2k they could get the Fuji XT2 with the kit lens and handgrip. While I have not shot with it, based upon several videos I have seen from the XT2 it has arguably just as good color science, it's smaller, lighter, much less money, shoots UHD, which stupidly the 5D MKIV doesn't do. The only sticking point is glass, if you have a sizeable investment in Canon glass, that seems to be the only draw of the 5D MKIV as a video camera. As a stills camera that happens to shoot video, the 5D MKIV looks excellent. I shot stills in Morocco with my 5D MKIII that are amongst my best still work, 5D is a monster stills camera but a lousy video camera. The XT2, to me, is far more impressive although the autofocus implementation on the 5D MKIV looks really great too, better than the Fuji. As usual, every camera is a compromise. If you hate the Sony A6300, A7 and Panasonic GH4 color science, which I do, you are left basically with the 5D MKIV and the XT2 as viable options.
You can buy the XT2 with the 18-55 2.8-4.0 kit lens, the handgrip, a few spare sets of batteries, and the outstanding Fujinon 50-140 2.8 OIS lens for about the same price as the 5D MKIV body only. Choices, choices. You'll at least get F-Log on the Fuji too if you use Shogun or another 4k recorder. Nobody seems to know much about F-Log but it's a log option Canon refuses to give you on the 5D MKIV. Thoughts?
You can buy the XT2 with the 18-55 2.8-4.0 kit lens, the handgrip, a few spare sets of batteries, and the outstanding Fujinon 50-140 2.8 OIS lens for about the same price as the 5D MKIV body only. Choices, choices. You'll at least get F-Log on the Fuji too if you use Shogun or another 4k recorder. Nobody seems to know much about F-Log but it's a log option Canon refuses to give you on the 5D MKIV. Thoughts?
Erik Naso
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Thoughts? If video is important look elsewhere. Period. Not worth it. Canon refuses to make a viable hybrid in 2016.
puredrifting
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Thanks for the reply Eric but I was hoping to hear thoughts on the XT2 versus the 5D MKIV. Have you played with the XT2 prototype yet?
Erik Naso
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haha. No I dont have connections with Fuji but the camera looks nice. The catch is you have to have the grip to get the full advantages of the video features and that does add size but shouldn't be to bad. It's a totally diffrent mount so lenses can be an expensive issue if auto focus is important. I've come close a few times in pulling the trigger on a Fuji camera but just haven't. I do think they are getting it right and clearly are going in direction the consumer wants. Fuji also makes really nice lenses for the system.
If I had to pick either a 5D Mark IV or XT2 I would go with the XT2. It's a true hybrid.
That's true as far as it goes but, let's say you were choosing an automobile and your two options were a Mercedes and a Cadillac in the $60,000 range. They handle in roughly the same manner, have the same size, trunk space, etc. The only difference is that the Mercedes has a 100 HP engine and the Caddy a 300 one and that matters only when you accelerate and even that is no more than 3-4 seconds at a time. But no one would buy that 100 HP Mercedes, which is why cars in the same general category have roughly the same specs - engine size/power, acceleration, etc. If one car is deemed as inferior - look at the classic failure like Pontian Fiero - then it's not going to be welcomed on an open market. And, if consumers expect value for their money in the automotive sector, then why shouldn't they behave likewise in the electronic (cameras, TV's, computers) world? Which they do, no matter what Canon thinks.
PS. As to Fuji XT-2, Panasonic GH-5, Olympus OMD 1 MKII, one may have to wait a month for more info (XT2 isn't shipping yet either, only preorders).
deltoidjohn
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The inclusion of DCI 4K gave me a bit of a chuckle. It's as though they've done nothing at all to entice film-makers, instead focusing on their photographer base, and then thrown in DCI as an afterthought.
I'm sure we'll start to see plenty of news footage airing with black bands after clueless photo/video journalists start shooting DCI aspect footage, not realising the effect it will have when played on a 16:9 screen.
Meanwhile the only people who might actually ever need DCI - film-makers heading for cinema release - would not even look twice at this camera.
David W. Jones
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ReelWorksMedia
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By comparing it to Justin Bieber. Just ask yourself if it gives you Bieber Fever.
Run&Gun
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I was messing around on-line just after midnight and saw the pre-order "go live" on B&H. Click, click, click… I pre-ordered. I have two 5D mkII's and a mkIII. I have no doubts I'll like the mkIV just as much as the others when I got them. Everyone seems to be making a big deal about the video features or lack thereof. I couldn't care less. I'm buying this, just like every other still camera I have, TO SHOOT STILLS. Yes, I have and do at times use my 5DmkIII for a lock-off second, third, etc. angle when necessary, BUT... When I need to shoot video, whether it be 720, 1080, 4K or high-speed I have three VariCams, a C300 and an F55.
If you want a still camera, get one. If you want a video camera, get one. But stop complaining and crying when still cameras with video functions don't live up to your expectations or have the performance and features of dedicated video cameras.
If you want a still camera, get one. If you want a video camera, get one. But stop complaining and crying when still cameras with video functions don't live up to your expectations or have the performance and features of dedicated video cameras.